We were facing the chairman today and we had a little disagreement that can basically be summed up in a question;
What happens if we defeat the chairman before the operative?
I believed that the chairman is defeated and removed from play, but we don’t win unless the operative is defeated.
He said that the game ends because the villain card is defeated, but because we can’t win, villains win.
We took down the operative first just to be sure, but what does happen? I refereed to omnitrons card, showing that the villain can be out of the game but the game still going, but he argued that it was specific only to that villain. Can we get a clarification please?
You were certainly correct, play would continue as normal until the Operative was defeated as well.
A further point, heroes being unable to win the game does not necessarily default to heroes losing the game. Draw scenarios are possible, though the particular case you mentioned is not one of them.
That’s a very interesting point. Omnitron has specific wording for that situation, whereas the Chairman does not and the Operative actually says “The heroes cannot win the game.” - she doesn’t say “The game does not end until this card is flipped.” or anything like that.
While we’ve always played it as you suggested, Singlog, I’m actually inclined to agree with your friend.
However, awp832 and I don’t have official answers - we’re just providing our opinions. 8) With the Kickstarter, playtesting, and everything else going on, I’m not sure how soon we’ll get an official response, but for now I’d say continue playing when the Chairman is defeated but the Operative is still in play. Because, really, it’s more fun to play than to quit with a draw.
As The Operative has the text “The Heroes cannot win the game”, that text prevents a win as long as that text is in play, correct? Therefore, you can easily win the game at that point by flipping The Operative’s cards over so that text is no longer in play. If you manage to defeat The Chairman before you flip The Operative, game play continues as normal until you have defeated The Operative as well.
So, Singlog, your assumption was correct! Beat them both up, in any order, to win!
Along these same lines, it makes me wonder what happens if Haka finishes the Chairman before the Operative, with Savage Mana in play. I assume he would go under Savage Mana like anything else. If one is true, it seems the other would have to be, also.
Hee hee, I have no issue with this. This actually happened to us once in playtesting, and I kind of stopped and stared at Haka for a bit, then shrugged and went, “Yeah, that’s legit. Enjoy, big fella.”
I don’t have the cards in front of me right now, but I believe Savage Mana says that it happens when Haka does damage enough to destroy a card. The instruction card isn’t being dealt damage, so it would not apply.
What if Haka destroys a hero target? Does that go under savage mana as well? Then that incapacitated hero can’t use incapacitated powers because his card can’t be read because it is under savage mana?
Heroes aren’t but hero targets can be, Decoy Projection springs to mind and I guess there will be more with the Unity Deck… interesting question.
Also, on the part about taking Villain Character cards with Haka I guess going by Christopher’s previous “Yeah, that’s legit. Enjoy, big fella.” that it will be ‘sanctioned’ as legit (and more common) with the 9 villain deck (unless there’s some new mechanic we’re not aware of)… and Omnitron from the base game too!
