According to the glossary definition of Indestructible, "If a card is indestructible, it cannot be...removed from play". The definition of a One-Shot is that "the effects of a One-Shot card happen immediately upon being played, after which the one-shot card is moved to the appropriate trash". The various abilities on Ennead members all happen the first time a card is put into the Villain trash each turn.
Am I right in thinking that One-Shots stay in play while the Fixed Point is out, so that the secondary abilities of the Ennead only take place at the start of the next Environment turn, when those Villain One-Shots are moved to the trash? And furthermore, that you can choose to flip any Ennead members who were reduced to 0 hit points during that time before resolving those cards?
They may enter play, but they aren't actually in play. So the one-shots would be moved to the trash after their effect and trigger the Ennead for doing so.
So that would mean when you play a one-shot in Time Cataclysm while Suprise Shopping Trip is in play than it doesn't trigger and doesn't deal everyone 1 melee damage?
Edit: Just to make it more clear, Suprise Shopping Trip says something along the lines of "when a card enters play deal all target 1 melee damage"
Now that I have a little bit more time and can actually check my decks before spouting off non-sense and actually check the card before I attempt to recall. As I may have been wrong with how it works and if I was wrong than I would of withdrawn my previous comment. Though since I was correct I can no state why I am almost posite One-Shots infact enter play. Though it does mess up my previous thing that One-Shots are not actually in play, though I still don't think they will stick around until Fixed Point is gone, though it is possible.
Anyways! Enough rambling. The card Ghostly Images states "When this card enters play, each player reveals the top card ot their deck. If it is a one-shot, put it into play. If it is not a one-shot, discard it and deal that hero 2 psychic damage." Since it says to put it into play, and as it is exclusively one-shots and can't be agrued that one-shots can't count as some people have tried to do with Omni-X's base power. Since this card says to put it into play, it has thus entered play. Which makes me say that whenever someone plays one-shots it has to enter play.
Now of course that ruins my thought on Fixed Point and one-shots and don't really have a reason as to why it doesn't work. In fact one-shots by actually stay in play, I have no idea anymore, though it does create a few awkward situations.
"Card Types. One-Shot. One-Shot cards come into play, have an immediate effect, then go to the appropriate trash."
I would say the rulebook makes it rather clear how one-shots function in this regard.
I think the better question here, for Fixed Point at least, is do One-Shots "leave play" when they head to the trash. I thought it has been ruled somewhere that one-shots do not "leave play" so to speak, but I am unable to point to a source to where I got that idea from. Essentially this would prevent Oneshots from hanging on the board with Fixed Point out, but allow them to trigger things like Shopping Spree and whatnot
Oh, I always look in the glossary for definitions, which words it slightly differently. In fact I haven't even looked into the EE rulebook. Haven't even read a SotM rulebook since my first few game of SotM which was nearly 2 years ago. Still odd about different wording in 2 parts of the book. I blame the playtesters for not proof-reading to make sure things are consistant.
Edit: I do agree though that I think there is something that would prevent one-shots from staying around, but at the same time I can't pin point it thus I can't say why it would function that way.
I would think that when one-shots are played, they then go to the trash, meaning they are put in the trash, and aren't "destroyed." Fixed Points makes stuff indestructible, meaning it can't be destroyed. One-shots are never destroyed, therefore aren't affected by Fixed Point and are just put in the trash as normal. I'd say the same would go for any case where a card returns to your hand (eg Mr Fixer's tools) as well, because again, that's returning to your hand, not being destroyed.
Indestructible's very definition is "it cannot be destroyed or removed from play" I can't even count how many times I have typed that. So Mr. Fixer could play multiple tools because of this, as they are indestructible from Fixed Point and cannot be removed from play.
Ah okay, I don't know whether I've ever looked at the official definition, just assumed that indestructible means "cannot be destroyed". I didn't think that being returned to your hand was technically the same thing. I suppose it's only something that'll come up with Fixed Point, anyway.
The problem with the idea that one-shots get destroyed is that it makes things like Anubis behave very differently - every time a one-shot is played his effect would go off.
Again with the fixed point! I would have to say that they stay on the board, doing nothing. This makes a few mechanics kind of awkward during a fixed point, namely The Ennead and Lightspeed Barrage, but apart from that I think it works with the essence of a fixed point.
Think of a picture with a hero/villain in the middle. Now draw a line from the edge of the paper to the hero/villain. That line, for the purpose of this example, constitutes a one shot. It is an action, but an action that you can see, from beginning to end, the whole while everything is in a fixed point. Now imagine erasing that line. That would be the fixed point ending. New actions happen, but after they happen you can't see them anymore. Hope that's more helpful than confusing.
I'm gunna have to agree with those that say the one-shots stay in play. As other have pointed out, there are several effects that "put into play" one-shots, so I'd agree they're in play. If Indestructable says "cannot be destroyed or removed from play", I assume that would cover one-shots as well, as their EE edition says that after their effects go off, they are "moved to the appropriate trash", thus, cannot be "removed" would work for them. Thus, I'd say they come into play and resolve like normal, and then just kinda hang around.
That said, I do think that once Fixed Point is gone, the one-shots would be discarded as normal. My guess is that a one-shot "stuck" in play would be just like a 0 hp target. Once the effect preventing it from being destroyed is gone, it goes away. This just means that The Ennead would do all their fu at the start of the next environment turn, instead of during the villain turn.
OK, I agree with what I see as the growing consensus -- one shots enter play. They are never destroyed, but they leave play after doing whatever they do. When Fixed Point is in play, one shots stay in play, but upon Fixed Point leaving play, they immediately go to the trash.
That means, then, that if something happens based on how many cards a hero has in play, if there are one shots in play due to Fixed Point, then they get counted.
Oh man this just got way, way more complicated. While I can see the logic, I would really hate having to keep track of all of that. ESPECIALLY with characters that can play multiple cards in a turn.
Yes, but The Ennead is a reasonably complicated deck as far as timing rules go. I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but this sounds like a nuance that will be lost on a lot of players. It wasn't ever brought up in playtesting (which isn't to say it doesn't work that way, it's just something to note) and the limited circumstance could become even more convoluted with certain Environments. Again, I'm not making an argument for or against this interpretation of the rules. I'm just saying it seems complicated.
I understand that it can be resolved by breaking down the individual cards one at a time. What I'm expressing is an opinion. I don't expect anyone to agree with me or disagree with me. It's just a perspective. If the official ruling goes that way, I'll work with it. If not, then I'll keep playing it the way I have been. I appreciate what you're saying, but I think this is just a subject that we have differing viewpoints on. After all, it takes all kinds of fruits to make fruitcup.