Footenotes: Writhe, the Belltower, and Setback

Writhe. Scientist. Inventor. Invented the cloak he wears that gives him his powers. His bio indicates that the cloak malfunctions and fuses with him to a degree.

Writhes incap side depicts him by the belltower. This presumably is the same belltower we see the Seer standing in front of, and most likely the tower than Fanatic holed herself up in after her first battle with Apostate before becoming the "Redeemer". He seems to be loosing control of the cloak. His body is morphing. Look at that hand...it looks nasty.

Setbacks card art for "Cause and Effect" show Setback being attacked by a black ink-like creature. It looks formless and fluid. It looks a lot like Writhes incap side.

Setbacks incap art is straight from a Spiderman panel where Peter Parker ditches the suit to try and live a normal life.

Comic fans might know where I'm going with this. Going with the Spiderman frame here, Writhe being shown loosing control in front of a belltower is telling. Venom, the alien symbiote, also got its start in a belltower. Tell me the black evil thing on "Cause and Effect" is not a dead ringer for a Venom-like creature.

We don't know the full story here, but it is looking like at some point Writhe looses control of his cloak and it turns him into a monster. Looking forward to a Sentinels promo in the future!

 

UPDATE EDIT:

During conventions, I make it a large point to not bother Christopher at all with story questions. Mostly because he has a ton of more important things to do at these conventions than pander to my slight obession with his story. However, I managed to sneak in one small question on the final day of PAX East (I couldn't help myself. Sorry Christopher. I tried being good). Anyway, I basically asked if the evil black thing on "Cause and Effect" was Writhe. To my surprise, I got a straight answer.

"No"

Awesome. That's all I needed.

I am not at all prepared to give up the Venom/Belltower connection here. The art and Spiderman themes seem far too intentional to just throw the entire thing away. Plus, we have new art from promo Writhe that needs to fit into this working theory. Let's start with promo Writhe. The biggest difference with Writhe here is that he has lost the form of his cloak that initially fused to him which gave Eugene his powers. That is interesting. 

Follow this new theory: Writhe's incap art shows him losing control of himself. It's a theme with all of the Sentinels original incapp art. Mainstay loses control of his freedom (being tied up and captured), Medico loses control of his body (he is a pile of dust), Idealist loses control of her mind (she is systematically coming apart), and Writhe is losing control of his powers (seen with the ugly transformations). In Marvel comics, Venom is a symbiote, something that takes control and fuses with a host. We even see Venom as an amorphus blob of horror exist outside of it's host a bunch in the comics. Eugene's cloak has this same sort of thing going on, having a symbiotic relationship with Eugene and fusing with him. 

"Cause and Effect" shows Setback being attacked by something. But it's not Eugene. It's not Writhe. It is the "Cloak"

I now suspect that his incap art is showing a point where the "Cloak" is trying to separate itself from Eugene. And I think it does and gains a mind of its own. Maybe the shadow energy always had some free will component, maybe the energy fused with the darker aspects of Eugene's psyche, but it's coming loose. Maybe Eugene was going off the deep end, the shadow energy taking it's toll on Eugene, and he starts getting desperate and doing some less than heroic things. Something along these lines could explain why we see Tachyon fighting Writhe right? During the scene at the Belltower, the good side of Eugene could be fighting against the darker side of him, represented by the cloak. I think ultimatly the two sides split. That's why the Writhe we see in the promo art has lost the figure of the cloak and is a fully commited member of the hero team The Sentinels and has retained a large portion of his powers because of the initial fusion.

And the "Cloak" roams free, possibly looking for a new host, or possibly it just wants to be evil. I don't personally think there is a connection between "Cause and Effect" and Setbacks DW costume change to all black, but my new theory makes it more plausible. 

I would also like to point out, look at Writhe's hand on his incap side. It's very similar in design as the thing on Cause and Effect.

If Writhe turns into a monster, maybe that's why Tachyon appears to be fighting him on erm...that card in her deck where she's fighting him (the "deal a target 2 damage, if it hit you since your last turn, hit it again for 2 more damage" one).

It very well could be.

Check out Writhes incap again. Now, I may be crazy, but either he is shooting green beams, or someone is shooting green beams at him. Argent Adept?

In The Sentinels Backstory, it briefly mentions Writhe as a criminal.

Are we saying maybe he was not truthful when he decided to try and turn over a new leaf?

Did the cloak go haywire and in the proccess scramble his mind in a sense?

No, I think he meant it. I was only pointing out that the Tachyon thing happened before the new leaf.

 

I think the suit probably developed a mind of it's own (though feral in nature), and left Writhe during the bell tower incident. Setback may be the first person it finds afterwards, and since it most likely needs a host to live, it tries to attach itself to him.

HA!

When Venom took over Peter Parker, his suite went all black.

Setbacks promo has a very, very black suite as well…

Setbacks incap art is straight from a Spiderman panel where Peter Parker ditches the suit to try and live a normal life.

Sonofagun, you're right.  wiki'd

Yeah, I can't see the cards or anything, but sounds like a reference or allusion to Spiderman / Venom.   The belltower was what scraped the suit off of him in the films, right?

Aaaaand I was scooped. that's what I get for not refreshing after reading the entire thread.

I want too much a fan of this theory until I read this post

It might be reaching a little bit, but if you look at the art on Uncharmed Life, he looks darker and there appears to be something "splashing" off of him.  Now, it could just be blood/sweat in shadow, but it also kinda looks like what I would expect it to look like if he were in a "venom" suit and bit of it were splashing off.  The flavor text and mechanics also go in-line with the Dark Watch Setback, essentially being the "take one for the team" tank, and if the promo IS him in that suit, it seems that's the role he leans towards.

 

Not at all, because the Backstory of Writhe is pretty clear - he tried to be a criminal once, thwarted by the other Sentinels  and went right to jail. Then in a fight with La Capitan burst into the cell and he  joined forces with them. His criminal background never had a chance to be encountered with anyone other than The Sentinels. So, no, Tachyon couldn't have encountered him before the new leaf.

I don't recall him having been stopped by the Sentinels in particular; I had the impression that when their fight spilled into his jail cell, it was the first time they'd met him.

You should re-read his Bio, where it says exactly what happens. His first night out on the job he was stopped by the (Writhe-less) Sentinels. Later that week he was in his jail cell awaiting trail when The Sentinels crashed into his cell, he helped defeat La Capitan, served his sentence for Bank Robbery then joined The Sentinels. Having Tachyon on the scene at the same time seems unlikely (but possible given the speed she moves at).

SECOND EDIT: Writhe actually went to prision for attempted bank robbery, lending weight to the idea that he probably didn't commit any other bank robberies for which he was not caught.

 

EDIT: Also, awesome work Foote on the Venom/Writhe connection, I saw the bell tower immediately but the rest of it is brilliantly worked out.

Could Tachyon be causing damage on Supersonic Response by ripping Writhe off of Setback?

I sincerely doubt that Writhe’s ‘suit’ gains sentience since we have no evidence proving otherwise. I believe at one point Writhe’s personal condition begins to wear on his mind, and he has an ‘mental episode’ of sorts, and the Southwest Sentinels have to call in some extra help to calm him down. That would explain why we have art of him attacking/being attacked by other heroes.

So… Maybe we will see a villain Writhe? :wink:  (Possibly just as a character in someone else's deck?)

Why?  Heroes cause damage to other heroes all the time.  Maybe they were both fighting Kismet in the art of that card.

sigh

:confused:

I even put the " :wink: " in there.

Envisioner, I was kidding. I have no expectation we're going to get a villain-version of Writhe. It was a joke.

I'm going to end my response there to avoid creating even more frustration for myself.