Price of Freedom Wraith's Incap

General GTG Sentinel Comics Lore
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So, in a different thread (this one), we were talking about creepy characters.  
In it, I expounded on my theory about Spite's prediliction for getting people to trust him- that betraying that trust was as important to him as the kill.
 
This led me to start thinking about F6 Wraith's incapacitated side- where (if you haven't seen it) Spite is about to throw the Wraith over a railing to an uncertain (but probably not good) fate.  
 
see- theres two things about it that seem odd to me.
 
First, Spite is in a costume.  He's not in a hoodie that can give him some ability to blend in.  
Second, the Wraith looks surprised. Think about that.
 
See, I'm wondering if Spite pulled off the ultimate betrayal of trust.  In Iron Legacy's timeline, we don't know if Spite ever became the drugged out lunatic. 
We also know that IL was NOT kind to villains- and spite (due to the ravages of the drugs) was not subtle at the end, when he started overdosing and raiding labs.  
 
What if Spite convinced the others that he was a hero?  Someone who wanted to help them fight Iron Legacy for the greater good?
 
Maybe he met Maia in the fighting pits she was in.  She's distrustful, but he saves her life several times (and if he used too much force, its a bad future and everyone has to do things they don't want to do).
 
He slowly- very slowly- convinces her that he's a hero.
All so that when he gets her alone and she finally trusts him, he can betray her and send her plummeting to her death.  
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I think that the back is 'just' a reference to Knightfall, the Batman story where Bane broke the Batman's back, in a pose very much like the one shown onthe incap side.

But anything's possible with the warped and twisted minds who run the Multiverse

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I agree it's an homage to Knightfall, but I don't agree it's just an homage; >G have in the past said that all the incap'd art are events in the continuum.

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Thats the thing that got me thinking.  ALL the incaps have to happen, though they don't always happen in the order you'd expect, or mean what you'd think.  Now, some of them definitely ARE homages, but they also have to be the results of a series of events.

Think about Ambuscade.  We see him shooting Team Leader Tachyon in her incap side... but how did that series of events actually happen? Why did Iron Legacy leave him alive in the first place?  Was he hunting superhumans FOR Iron Legacy?  Was he some kind of leader of the superpowered resistance movement, hunting Iron Legacy and doing whatever was necessary to retain his cover?  

 

In terms of Spite, if he's a known (and quite unrepentant) serial killer, how could he possibly still be alive?   If he was as out of control as (main timeline) Spite became, it seems ludicrous that Iron Legacy wouldn't have put him down, particularly since he preyed on children (among others).  

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Note the quote marks around just, I do not think it is just anything either.

Greaterthangames has surprised me too many times to take anything at face value anymore.

For instance, you used '., and ; could you be trying to communicate something in morse code?

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Did I miss where it confirmed that Iron Legacy just goes around killing everyone? Demoralizing Presence depicts him standing over a prison, containing various heroes and villains. From what I have gathered, Iron Legacy mostly kills those who interfere and escape.

Also I don't think Iron Legacy just hunts down every single person that was a villain, he's much too busy ruling a world to bother going after a hunter with a cloaking device that probably isn't doing much hunting these days.

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HAD to, I don't think that's the case any more. I think some have never, will never, cannot possibly ever happen since the timelines have been shattered

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Do you remember the old Justice League cartoon where the JLA run into an alternate universe version of themselves? In this particular episode, Superman is pretty ruthless, very akin to IL. But Superman did not kill his enemies or beat them into oblivion, he lobotomized them with his heat vision. IIRC there is a scene where the Joker is emotionlessly serving drinks with two visible burn marks on his forehead. 

This seems closer to what Iron Legacy is doing, as Ronway pointed out.

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I cannot confirm or deny anything…

 

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IL has no beam-vision, though.  His only real options are kill, imprison, or intimidate into unquestioning obedience.  (The later would not work on most supers, which is probably why he built a prison for those who wouldn't submit to them.  He wouldn't want to kill a nice guy like Haka, but he couldn't let him run around stirring up trouble either, so he put him away with promises to "eventually" let him out "when the world is ready".)

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I think maybe you took me too literally. The eye-beams are not important. The connection I was trying to draw was that IL is that we have reason to believe IL is not just going around killing everything that gets in his way. He still stands by a staunch moral code, but that code is just being executed from a different moral perspective. Thats what the alternate Superman was going through, and it seems theres a similar dynamic at play here.

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I compare him to Santa Clause from Futurama.

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I think you might be giving IL a bit too much credit in terms of morality and restraint.  He killed Tyler.  

What I'm gettting at isn't so much about who Iron legacy chooses to kill, its more that the world in which he inhabits is a MUCH more brutal one.  Life is a lot cheaper and the heroes have been through some horrific trials.  Some of them are dead.

In that atmosphere, and in that world, it seems likely that some of the villains must have changed their routines.  Because if they didn't- if they carreid on the same way as they did in the normal timeline- they would get put down.  Maybe they'd end up in prison...but they sure as heck wouldn't be free to wreak havoc.

thats why I find Spite's appearance on the incap so bizarre.  In the main timeline, theres a degree of mercy in the heroes.  But in the F6 world- where the heroes ave seen so much crumble around them, I just don't see him surviving any length of time behaving the same way he behaved in the main timeline. 

 

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My be reference for comparison of a superhuman serial killer is Sylar from Heroes (before he went all pear-shaped in the later seasons - everything did, but most especially him).  When being a psychopath is just too dangerous to get away with, it's extremely easy for them to tuck their nastiness away in a corner and blend in; lying comes naturally do them, they can always behave themselves and even go the extra mile creating a disguise, being more perfect than the actual Good people, because all the time they're just reminding themselves of the "fun" they get to have later.

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Ooh, I remember something about this!

Fixer is dead, and that's why Golem Unity has his hat. I specifically asked about that. ;)

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Meh, he'll come back as soon as they reboot the continuity to attract a younger audience.  :smiling_imp:

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Too soon, man.  His daughter JUST died!

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Its not like Iron Legacy is going to come for me ne

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That's what Tyler said.

Too soon?