perhaps have at least one of your heroes incapacitate another?
Both times I unlocked Kismet my team LOST in the block, and it was unlocked at end game. So it's not simply that on it's own.
I think that it is:
lose to Kismet in the Block
Knyfe, AA, and Fanatic must be on the team.
Once Kismet flips to her Deranged Miscreant side, she can never flip back.
I'm not sure about that last bit, but having the talisman in the hero play area is the hallmark of her promo power, so I'm guessing that the last bit of the unlocked revolves around keeping the talisman with the heroes and losing. Making her give up her magic feather, as it were, and learning the power comes from her and not the talisman.
Got the unlock with a team order of Fanatic / AA / KNYFE. It's not that she can't flip back - I flipped the Talisman, and thus flipped her, each round. She ended on her flip side, having just reclaimed the Talisman, which finished in her play area.
By the end of the game, she had four Ongoing Jinxes out.
I mostly let her beat on me throughout the game, though I sped the process a little with Sacrosanct Martyr. Hapless Strike came out once - it's how AA incapped himself to end the game. That was the only self-damage I did outside of Sacrosanct Martyr.
Prison Riot was played once and only brought out two prisoners. A couple of guards were also played. Lock Down came out on the last round and wiped them, and was the only card in play for the environment at the end of the game.
No, she can definitely flip back. She did for me.
Unlocked. Fanatic, AA, and KNYFE at the block. Kismet flipped once only, and Prison Riot brought out one prisoner.
I will note that when I attempted unlocking every other time, I dealt damage to the heroes until incapped. On my most recent attempt, Kismet dealt the final blow on all three heroes. So that may be a caveat.
I recall Char obliged and finished off my time in a convenient way.
Has anyone achieved the unlock with friendly fire for the final blow?
I did, assuming you mean damage dealt by a hero target and not the Setback card by that name.
I also did, see a couple posts up. Hapless Strike self-incapped my last hero.
I know everyone is focused on the block conditions, but I want to rewind and establish if winning in Atlantis first is required. Has anyone got the unlock without beating her in Atlantis?
If no, do we know if a specific team is needed in Atlantis?
As for the block, the only self damage I did was through hapless strike for my unlock.
Yes:
No unlock
Team of KNYFE, Parse, Tempest, AA in the Block.
Prison Riot was played and produced 2 Prisoners. The Talisman had changed posession at least 3 times. Previously fought and defeated Kismet in Atlantis. AA had the Talisman at game end.
2 jinxes and 0 luckys were in play.
Kismet had the last strike on Tempest and AA; Char did the job for KNYFE and Parse.
Success!
Team of KNYFE, PW Fanatic, AA, and RC Wraith in the Block.
Char got the last hit. Inmates basically did all the damage. 3 of 4 heroes were incapped by Inmates.
The Talisman was in KNYFE's play area at the end of the game. Prison Riot was played twice. (Thanks, traitor-Wraith!)
3 or more Jinxes in play. Don't think a Lucky hit the table at all.
Unlock upon losing.
I felt kinda dirty making Wraith put nasties from the block into play. Must have been some alternate universe Wraith where she is working for Blade or the Chairman. :)
That was an "In addition to what I quoted" not "instead of"
I misunderstood. Sorry
A useful post of the status of the hunt on the Steam forum....
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Originally posted by penteractcubegod:
OK, reading what I can into everything, the only essentially guranteed factor is The Block. here are the possible factors.
1. KNYFE in first slot
2. Having won vs Kismet in the past
3. Kismet flipping at least once
4. Imminent Destruction has been played
5. Imminent Destruction destroys Lock Down
6. Unlucky Break has been played
7. Fanatic and AA on team
If you have all 7 of these, I'm almost certain you'll unlock. Try to eliminate them 1 at a time, starting with number 2, as it can't be undone. Of course, you must be on block. Feel free to copy/paste this list and add or remove items. If you have done all 7 and didn't unlock, please tell me.
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Since that post, users there seem to have knocked out Items 1, 5, and 6 as factors (since logs/screenshots there show wins without them)
So, After having previously defeated Kismet, lose to her in The Block with a team that includes Fanatic, AA, and KNYFE. Kismet must flip at least once and Imminent Destruction must have been played.
I'm worried that if we're not close here, that it might involve more specific details about how Kismet was previously defeated, which will be hard to test. OTOH, this almost seems like too easy a condition for a villain variant unlock when compared to what's required for the other ones.
Did Handelabra adopt a policy of confirming the individual parts of a multi-part unlock?
Further updates from Steam look like Imminent Destruction isn't needed, which gets things back to just those three heroes losing in the Block. Meaning there's something else we're not seeing (obviously).
Well, I just unlocked her but I'm not sure what was different (no log as it was on my iPad).
Team was AA, KNYFE, & Fanatic (in that order). Talisman flipped multiple times, ending in Kismet's play area.
I did have heroes use the Talisman's power on Kismet (though I believe others have unlocked her w/o this).
Multiple jinxes and lucky cards were played, as well as Hapless Strike. Heroes did a bunch of damage to Kismet, Env cards, and themselves.
Both Imminent Destruction and hero actions did destroy a bunch of environment cards (agents, inmates, and other), so this could be an avenue worth exploring.
I'd been trying things out again without checking for updates today (well, I checked the thread this morning, but nothing had been posted since the 3rd at that time). Here's my log from my unlock. I would note that I played this exact team in a game prior and didn't get the unlock, but I didn't think to save unsuccessful logs to use as a point of comparison. I know that I never used the talisman's power.