Captain America: Civil War chat! (Spoilers live here!)

Who else saw the movie? I actually manage to see it on Thursday(special release at my local theater) and again on Friday.

It was fantastic! I loved every second of it!

My favorite scene(s) was the airport battle, and my favorite characters were (gi)Ant Man and Spiderman!

It managed to develop the characters reasons for fighting each other effectively and gave the principal villain a real reason for wanting them to, two things that I thought BvS completely dropped the ball on.

I loved that the villains end point plan wasn't some "destroy the world" super plan using the soviet resources, but was a very human scale and understandable endgame. I think they developed him well and there really is the question at the end about whether or not he won.

Antman in the airport fight, I'm very glad they did that and that it wasn't in every trailer, made for a nice surprise.

On the airport fight, a minor quibble, Vision disappears for 90% of that fight, Scarlet Witch isn't in it very much either given her power level, kind of wonder if they're supposed to be squaring off and that's why both of them are MIA.

On Vision, I really enjoyed them showing off his intangibility, he didn't do much (anything?) with it in Avengers 2 and the "fight" between him and Hawkeye showed it to great effect.  

Loved pretty much every character, they do a good job with ensemble work, everyone got a scene where they were more than just background, the exceptions were probably Hawkeye and Antman, but both of them come in late and have ha d alot of development recently (Avengers 2 and Antman respectively) so I can forgive that.

I hate it when they kill named characters (Crossbones in this) comic book continuity thrives on the bad guys coming back time and again. minor quibble.

The Eulogy was a great geek-out moment, seriously was hoping that speech would be in there and was not disappointed.

Basically, the whole movie was amazing. Quibbles aside, everything worked.

 

 

Good point on Vision's intangibility. I rewatched Age of Ultron right after seeing Civil War yesterday, and realized there's maybe one scene where he uses it, and it's not even obvious that's what he's doing. So seeing him phase through walls constantly was kind of a shock, like, oh yeah, he can do that! I kinda felt like Scarlet Witch was seriously owning in that fight, though. Like, they had to pull her out so she didn't just overwhelm team Iron Man.

The airport fight was one of the best things I've ever seen in a movie. I think this actually beats the first Avengers for best Marvel movie.

And oh my god, do I feel bad for Spiderman. :( Stark totally used him. That said, I like the new kid, he's definitely the successor to Tobey Maguire for the role. (And, as someone pointed out elsewhere, young enough!)

I'm in full agreement... before seeing this I thought Avengers 1 was pretty much untouchable as my favorite Marvel film.  I think I have a new favorite now!  I loved the airport scene of course but my favorite part was probably the scene early in the movie where The Avengers sit down in a room to discuss the new law and we get to watch the two sides form.  I also really liked the smaller scale downer ending which made it so much more personal and tragic.  Overall, just a great film!

I was very surprised by the somber ending, but I think it fits. Because what happens in that last fight: no one wins. It could have gone much worse, but it didn't. Everyone walks away and the Avengers are changed forever. So totally fitting, tone-wise.

i think the highpoint for me was Ant-Man's hysterical laughter as he became giant-ified (i was right there with him).  also Sharon Carter got in an abbreviated version of the JMS "no, you move" speech!  i geeked.

This movie had so much great stufff to it: The character development, the pacing, the action, the jokes...It was all perfect. Probably my favorite movie from Marvel, only second to movies like Ant-Man and Avengers.

To me, Spiderman and (Gi)Ant-Man totally stole the show in their own respects. I was plesantly surprised with how much time they gave Spiderman, I thought he was only gonna show up at the big fight. But not only do we get a small intro to Peter Parker and Aunt May, but we even get a bit of a back-and-forth between him and Tony. And not only do we get to see him fight in the big brawl, but we get to see him take on some prety well trained fighters(Falcon and Winter Soldier). And (Gi)Ant-Man...Don't even get me started on how awesome that reveal was! Seeing him grow like that and take on almost all of Team Iron at once?! That was f@#$-ing awesome! I SO wanted him to flick away War Machine when he grabbed him out of the air when Iron Man said "Give me back my Rhodey." I don't think I've ever been happier at a Marvel movie when I saw (Gi)Ant-Man wrecking in this movie. And he was still one of the funniest guys in the whole movie, even if he had the shorted screen time. Yeah he was in all the prison scenes afterward, but I want more! And I was just so torn when Spiderman found out how to take him down! Yeah I'm Team Cap, but still!!! That was so awesome!

And we can't forget Stan"The Cameo Man" Lee! Probably my Favorite scene from him yet! "Tony Stank" will now live in infamy!

No love for Deadpool?

It was the appropriate response. :smiley: That scene was so awesome.

I enjoyed the movie quite a lot, though not as much as Guardians of the Galaxy (surprised that one hadn’t come up in the Marvel movie comparisons!).

I have to wonder - what’s with the Marvel villains and their circuitous plans that rely on the heroes doing specific things and also random events transpiring in certain ways? As an example, Zemo plans to have the Avengers capture the Winter Soldier so he can read the trigger words (man, was “Manchurian Candidate” a perfect dig) in the guise of the psych evaluator. But Zemo didn’t know about Black Panther - what if he had succeeded in killing the Winter Soldier in the tunnel car chase? So much for the villainous plot!

I also have to say that the disagreement between Iron Man and Captain America definitely could have resolved with a little more discussion. You don’t get so angry that you come to blows and then have a reasonable exchange of views and leave the other guy your cell phone at the end. It escalated to violence rather quickly. I mean, you need to move the plot along, but they were too close to be really fighting. Great example: Hawkeye asking Black Widow if they’re still friends. If the answer is anything but “no,” why are they fighting instead of trying to de-escalate the fight?

In terms of sides, I have to say I’m kind of with Stark. He was a jerk about it, but look at current events and all the instances of organizations running away with abuses of power. US intelligence agencies are spying on their own people, the police has problems with race relations, and the military is happily developing weapons that get other nations declaring they would respond with nukes. There have to be checks and balances on these things to keep one guy at the top from deciding to build a doomsday device. The heroes’ argument got me thinking in terms of the American founders: Cap is a Federalist (wants power centralized in a strong federal government), while Iron Man is a Republican (in the old sense! he wants power distributed among many smaller factions that can balance each other). Cap’s idea works well if good people have the power (himself), but it falls down completely if the people at the top are Hydra, or simply make a mistake. I thought it was a superb twist of irony that the best argument for Iron Man’s position came when Stark found out about his parents and flew into a rage. Stark needed a check against abusing his own power, which was exactly what he believed in!

I totally agree that Spider-Man stole the show. I loved that our introduction to him wasn’t in the big fight, but came in a quiet, awkward scene at his home.

As I’m not familiar with the comic background, I’m curious about some of that. What’s the eulogy speech?

Also…who else is excited for the upcoming Argent Adept movie???

EDIT: Oh, yeah, I was confused about one thing: when did Captain America find out about Tony’s parents?

That confused me too.  Must have been something that got edited out (oops).

I'm betting it was in the file Natasha handed him at the end of Winter Soldier…

in Cap2 he learned that HYDRA was responsible for the Starks' "accident".  i think he suspected Bucky did the deed, hence his sorta noncommital confirmation to Tony's question in Cap3.

 

Youtube Clip of the relevant scene.

Right!

I knew I should have re-watched Winter Soldier before watching Civil War…

Thank you for that. Cap's answer was one of those things that I was really confused by, then completely forgot about because holy crap you guys, Cap's fighting Iron Man!

Thanks to everyone for that YouTube link. I totally forgot about that scene.

Thanks, racingstripe! That’s an interesting interpretation Cap has of the Declaration of Independence preamble. :wink:

As DP said several times in his movie, he's not a hero. So my comment sticks. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Besides, didn't you know Deadpool is a romantic comedy! They released it a day before Valentines day and everything!

I also loved this movie, but I am annoyed by how terribly they follow their OWN RULES re: Ant Man's powers. They couldn't even keep that shit straight for the entirety of his own movie, and it feels like they didn't even TRY to in this one.

I mean, it doesn't make the movie any less awesome, but still. Giant Ant Man should be the same mass as Normal Ant Man. So he should be super not-dense -- lighter than air, even -- and just float away. Definitely not a huge brawler. And the tiny "I-thought-it-was-a-water-truck" should have maintained its mass when it was tiny, so Cap shouldn't have been able to throw it, or else he would have been able to just throw a NORMAL truck, so what's the point of shrinking it in the first place?

Hank Pym must just have been wrong about how it works when he described it to Scott.  Because obviously it can't work like he described.