Am I making a distinction that I shouldn’t? Specifically fanatic’s power that lets her deal herself up to 5 damage to deal the same amount to a target of her choice. Another card that reduces damage by 2 if you are DEALT 5 or more. Along with tempest’s shielding winds (which does the same thing) does she Take 1, then? If so, does that get negated by the same card that reduces it by 2? (Sorting along the lines of if she takes 1 damage, negate that damage). If so, that makes it a 5 damage for no damage taken power. I want sure if there was a set distinction between taking damage and being dealt damage. I think there is.
In general, I'm afraid there is no difference between the damage dealt and taken. This winds up being especially critical for Absolute Zero, where the math gets crazy enough with only two sets numbers.
There's a great resource, in addition to these forums, at Spiff's website.
http://www.spiffworld.com/sotm/files/sotm_rules_and_clarifications.pdf
Shielding winds and Indominable cannot both activate on a damage of 5. You would choose which one to activate and that one would reduce the damage to 3, making it no longer able to be reduced by the other. The prevention of 1 damage would not occur and Fanatic would take the 3 damage, try to deal another target 3 damage. When indominable is in play you can't deal yourself 1 or 5 damage, since one is negated and 5 is reduced to 3, so you are limited to 2-4.
From a point of semantics and reason, I can totally see how you'd think that there is a difference between damage taken and damage dealt.
For the purposes of this game, Fanatic, using the Sacrosanct Martyr Power, would actually have to take the amount of damage to be able to deal the same amount of damage to a target of her choice. If the damage is reduced, she only passes on the reduced amount of damage.
However, the distinction between damage dealt and damage taken is important because it indicates source or target of the damage.
For instance, IF Sacrosanct Martyr read 'Fanatic takes up to 5 Radiant damage', this would not indicate any source and for multiple reasons, that would be very problematic. However 'Fanatic deals herself up to 5 Radiant damage' makes it clear that this amount is altered by any effects that increase damage dealt by Fanatic.
There is no arbitrary wording in this dojo.
Note also that if Fanatic has any damage buffs, these apply to both hits of Sacrosanct Martyr. Say she is Galvanised by Legacy and uses Matyr to hit herself for five...well, that will be increased to six due to the Galvanise. Then she can hit something else for that much damage...+1 from Galvanise, so seven points to whatever she's hitting :). Of course, if you had the "when you get hit for five or more, reduce it" thing out in that instance, then that would still kick in for the initial self-hit. But it's worth bearing in mind :).
I’ve always interpreted damage dealt as outgoing and damage taken as incoming. If I’m dealt 5 cards, 5 cards have been given to me. If I pick up 1 of them, I took 1 card. It doesn’t change how many cards were given/dealt to me. That was my train of thought. I see the problem with it saying “Fanatic takes 5 damage” not having a source without making it wordier. Based on what the wording is though, it sounds like I can reduce it twice (i understand I can’t). So if undaunting is out and I hit myself for 5 which reduces to 3 I only send out 3, right?
Thinking about it, if there WAS a difference between taken by and dealt to omnitron x’s plating would not help him keep his components at all.
right. If someone deals 5 cards, and you picked up 2, they initially dealt 5, but the final calculation -- the one that matters -- shows that they dealt 2 cards TO YOU. the other 3 are irrelevant if they aren't picked up.