You can find out by listening here
Or is it here?
Nope, it's definitely here.
I don’t trust any of these links.
Nor should you.
This is the link you really want.
Nothing but lies. Which leaves me conflicted we have Christopher and Adam telling us lies and talking about a character who lies. I’m not sure who to trust.
These are definitely not lies
Well, one of my big questions was answered by the backstory. So, I’m good.
Also, now I’m curious how big of a fan Adam is of The Wallflowers. That was a deep cut pull for a group most people only know for One Headlight.
I'm only part way through, but I've decided that what I need is a two-page montage spread of Apostate going through all of alternate BS explanations as Fanatic gets increasingly frustrated and inelegant in her responses.
And I want half of them to be blatant pastiches of other hero origins ("We were both bitten by radioactive birds!" "Oh come on that's just ridiculous.")
Is it wrong I actually like Apostate at this point?
Like, he's just so outrageously ridiculous and flamboyant with his style and lying and trolling that it doesn't merely cross the line twice but dances merrily on it, obliterates it, and keeps going at full tilt into morbid hilarity.
The way Apostate is described, he seems like the perfect foil for Fanatic, laughably evil compare to her stoicism, I have to say I laughed out loud at the coma explanation. I also like how they expanded Apostate's goals to world domination, even though it's cliche, a villain who just messes with a he is and has no other goals can't be taken seriously.(imho)
Some of the best lies I have listened to yet although I was slightly suprised they didn't use Apostate's theme at the end like they did with Ambuscade and La Capitan. I wonder if the Guise episode will use the Guise does a funky dance music?
Yeah the coma story was the part for me where it definitely went full-tilt from "jerkass" to "morbidly hilarious". Like he's not even really trying to seriously deceive her any more after this point, he's just blatantly trolling the bejeezus out of her. And like if I was Fanatic I would definitely just want to kill the everything out of him to shut him up but from a reader perspective it's just... so incredibly funny.
Yeah I would say after this episode it makes further sense why Fanatic doesn’t believe Apostate about the Host nor focus on it a lot. I’d have a hard time taking anything he says seriously. I do wish Seraph and Hellion had more of a story.
The fact that they're the spirits of Order and Chaos is intriguing considering how many other aspects of Sentinels the conflict between those two concepts permeates.
Do we have an image for Hellion? I know Seraph appears in Bethegate , did we just decide that based on this picture Hellion existed?
They discussed Hellion during the Q&A section of the questions.
I've gotta say: while I really enjoyed the reveals in this episode (and the idea of Apostate as a Loki-esque trickster/deceiver), this may be the only time I've been actively disappointed that my question didn't appear. I had really hoped that there'd be some additional notes about the idea of spirit possession as a power source, particularly in terms of the rpg, but no go...
I am, however, more and more convinced that both Fanatic and Apostate fit into that general term of "possessed". The idea that Apostate can inhabit an inanimate object, particularly, is telling to me. Fanatic may be "stuck" in the form she currently inhabits, but in my mind, she's definitely a Host Spirit that's inhabiting Helena's body and can't leave.
Let me rephrase, did we have before last week any knowledge of Hellion? Like I said I knew about the good Apostate but not about an evil Fanatic.
We did know Hellion existed before last week, but I honestly cannot actually remember where the name was originally confirmed. Nor do we have a picture of her that I am aware of.
The nature of the spirits who possessed Seraph and Hellion being different from the main verse is new info, though.
#BetterRuleLife
#LetChristopherSing
Once again, the Letters Page demonstrates to me that a character I wasn't too interested in is fascinating. His various lie gambits were fantastic, especially the "wake up" one. :D
Have to say, I was a little disappointed in the reveal that there are more than one spirit of any particular thing. But then that was muddled by the gelatin analogy and now I'm just confused. @_@ It's good to know Christopher and Adam used the dessert technique of storytelling, an ancient and arcane method for weaving lore that has been long forgotten for a good reason.
That said, I like how Apostate starts by telling Fanatic he created her, and she repays him by essentially creating him.
Ugh, I've got so many ideas for Host-related things now. D:
I'd like to thank Christopher for the extra work he puts in writing the show notes. Not only did this episode's get me excited for the gelatin analogy, it also helped me reorient myself in listening to the episode after my phone decided it didn't want to play the podcast anymore.
So who wants to make a hero deck for that hapless swineherd? :V No, but I love the point they made about characters. Sometimes it gets tiresome when characters are always exceptional -- when you yourself feel ordinary -- but it's the exceptions that make for the most interesting stories. And the people who become heroes, in this case, are the ones who are going to have the most coincidences in their backgrounds making them who they are.
I appreciate that Christopher and Adam remembered my name. ;_; CURSE YOU BIOMANCER YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR! XD
Okay, but all the teasing of the next, what, three episodes? I can hardly contain myself. D:
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Also, now I'm curious how big of a fan Adam is of The Wallflowers. That was a deep cut pull for a group most people only know for One Headlight.
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Can't say I'm a fan necessarily, but their cover of Heroes was actually the first Wallflowers song I ever heard, so even I was impressed by that reference. :)
Not really. I feel this episode has given us the most information about Hellion.
@Jeysie thanks , I guess the names could have been confirmed in one of the art streams Christopher did last year.
I like the change in spirits. Order is a lot like pure judgement and can make a lot of the same mistakes a nice foil for our Fanatic in a different way to our Apostate.
Of course chaos is the reason the three body problem is a thing so naturally I hate it, it's a great villain