To clarify, you super don’t have to win using Explosive Reveal. I didn’t.
Here's a failure log:
Unlocked, ended with Explosive Reveal.
Baron Blade, Zhu Long.
Went to HUGE, then to NORMAL on Environment turn
https://pastebin.com/CFwMJ1J6
Baron Blade, Zhu Long, ended with Huge power. I was going for "change sizes twice in one turn 5 times", but really didn't end up narrowing much down, since I did a fair bit.
Well... I was gonna say "good luck," but I toook a nap and it's already been found? Nice.
Good luck with the condition, everybody!
I think it may in fact be something to do with changing sizes twice in one turn a certain number of times. I've had two unlock fails. In one I had one turn where I changed size twice in a turn and a "valid turns: 1", in another I never changed more than once and had "valid turns: 0". And I'm looking and so far UXM's and Tskami's logs match up with that overall idea.
So, it might contain something like with Sky-Scraper on the team versus Baron Blade, have at least three turns where she changes size twice during that turn?
Hmm... how are you having her change size twice on her own turn? With Colossal Left Hook?
I’ve tried a couple of games with no luck.
The numbers shown at the end of the logs seem to indicate Sky-Scraper’s turn each round, so it looks like doing actions outside of her turn. Possibly something like.
Win a game against Baron Blade with Sky-Scraper on the team. During X of Sky-Scraper’s turns, Sky-Scraper must do Y.
Current working theory is X is 3 or more, and Y is either change forms two or more times, or must be Tiny, Normal, and Huge within the same turn.
Those numbers most definately don't correspond to Skyscraper's turns, unless Skyscraper somehow got 4 turns in a row in my first attempt.
Got an unlock with Sky, PW Argent, Vis, and Grandpa Legacy vs Blade in Freedom Tower. Basically just tried to switch sizes twice in one turn as many times as possible via both Colossal Left Hook and Argent feeding her two out of turn plays a turn.
Here's all my logs:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qyitehs9emxwq2o/Sky-Scraper%20Unlock%20Fail%201.txt?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/72gcreymikelmwb/Sky-Scraper%20Unlock%20Fail%202.txt?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v0h6498bg44tf8m/Sky-Scraper%20Unlock%20Success.txt?dl=0
I know what the numbers in the unlock text mean.
They are recording turn numbers, including Villain and environment turns, with the first Villain turn being turn 0.
The list of "ALL TURNS" is the turns in which Sky-Scraper switched size.
This is proven in UXM266's log, which has 3 heroes. He first switches in Sky Scraper's first turn (turn 3) and then waits until her third turn (turn 13) to switch again. He switches again in the following Environment turn (turn 14) and then waits until SS's next turn (turn 18) before switching. This matches his list.
THere are three turns where he switches more than once, and his Valid Turns are 3, so that is almost certainly the meaning of that.
So we know the thing she has to do is switch twice within the same turn. We just need to figure out what the number of valid turns needs to be, if she can be incapped and whether the heroes can lose to finish off the unlock conditions.
Edit: We do have proof that 1 valid turn is not enough and 3 is. We just need to try two valid turns.
Edit 2: I guess we also need tests against Mad Bomber Blade.
I did the change twice in a turn a bunch theory. No unlock. Had sky kill Baron in Zhu Long. Used porpotionist damage a lot. Was changing off turn with Omni and mysterious ceremonies. Didn't kill with porpotionist.
Edit: From now on for simplicity's sake we should refer to the double switch thing as a valid. I wonder if there is a minimum number of valids AND a maximum number of valids.
Are you on a platform on which you could get a log (Steam or Android) Lemee_Adam? Can you also confirm that you can see the variant for Sky-Scraper in the hero selection box?
I think I just confirmed that the heroes have to win. I let time run out on Wagner's and the Valid turns text didn't show up. This isn't 100% proof, as I was also trialling 2 valid turns, but we'll see.
Via Steam, 2 valid turns isn't enough.
I've just done some more testing...
I now believe 'valid turns' actually require all three forms in play in the same turn. I did some tests where I switched from Normal to Huge and back to Normal and I had 0 Valid turns at the end.
Can we confirm that count via log?
I unlocked against base Baron Blade in the Temple, per McB's original. And made a point of having Sky-Scraper go between all three forms in the same turn three times (no more, no less).
NOTE: I will say that at first I was reading as "within the same round," which I managed far more easily with the help of XPWAA, so I may have skewed my data. That said, if we assume Valid Turns are what they seem to be, here's the current construction I'm seeing:
1) Win a game [per jorgenp above]
2) Against Baron Blade [nobody has confirmed a win against another, it's thematically appropriate; no confirmation whether Mad Bomber Blade works]
3) [no Environment condition, we've seen successes in multiple places]
4) With Sky-Scraper on the team [there do not appear to be any other required individuals]
5) In at least three turns, Sky-Scraper must switch between all three sizes.
6) [Additional conditions, primarily, who if anybody must not be incapacitated? SS must not be, nobody can be...]
7) Anything else.
I know that's a complicated breakdown, but there you go. If it were me stacking the conditions, though, I'd suggest this:
WIn a game against any variant of Baron Blade with Sky-Scraper on the team. In at least three turns, Sky-Scraper must switch between all three sizes, and Sky-Scraper must not be incapacitated when you win.
Here's a summary...
We know (or highly suspect) the following:
- Baron Blade mut be the Villain (not Mad Bomber Blade)
- Heroes must win
- Sky-Scraper must have all three forms within a single turn at least 3 times
- Environment doesn't matter
- Sky-Scraper does not need the final blow
What we need to figure out:
- Can Sky-Scraper be incapped?
- Must Sky-Scraper be in Normal mode at the end? (very unlikely)
- Is there anything else special that must be done?
Edit: Heh, we thought alike...
Great minds and allathat. I can rule out SS dealing the final blow–XPWAA had that honor on mine.
Hmm. Let's not jump too far down the rabbit hole. Someone on Steam may have evidence that a Valid Turn is "two changes," not necessarily "all three forms."