Tachyon is not required to be incapped for AZ's unlock, but there is no requirement against it either, I would think. Tachyon was not incapped in my unlock last night.
So before I put any more speculation forth, I'm going to wait a little longer for a possible response on my previous guess.
Yeah I worded my response wrong. I would assume that they are allowed to be incapacitated however Tachyon is the only one it is 'Safe' to let go down if you get what I mean?
None of the others have required they be up after they meet their requirements, but I don't know if any successful unlocks have had them incapped either.
He meant that in order to unlock Tachyon, you have to incap her. Because it was designed that you could unlock all 5 at once (i got 4) having no one incapped is not a requirement for Zero to be unlocked (because tachyons unlock requriements)
There can still be a requirement like "Absolute Zero must not be incapacitated at the end of the game." And maybe Bunker has to be on that list, too. That would still allow the Tachyon unlock. Has anyone unlocked with Absolute Zero knocked out?
Okay. Went through that Google Sheets of logs, some things I noticed:
Things we can eliminate
There is at least 1 unlock with Tachyon and Bunker incaped (i believe that is what n/a means on that sheet.
Several logs without AZ doing the last hit.
Progeny Flipped and didnt flip in unlocks, as well as ended on both his front and his back
There are 3 games that report no Scion of Frost being played.
There is one game where Null-Point wasn't even played (- However it did ENTER play, probably through someone's shenangins)
There are games without all one shots having been played (so playing all of them is not a requirement)
There are games where Ongoing powers are not used.
There are games where Thermodynamics does not initiate cold or does not initiate fire.
The Lowest Cold Damage done to self was 29.
The lowest cold damage done to villain targets was 41
The minimum Biggest Cold hit was 5. (Could doing at least one hit of 5 or more damage be required?)
The lowest amount of Fire damage dealt was 29
the lowest amount of Fire Damage dealt to self was 29
There is not a single instance of an unlock where Thermodnamics actually does cold damage to Zero. Of course there is not a single failed unlock with him doing cold damage to himself with THermo dynamics, but...
You know. There are unlocks where it seems like everything is met, but there isnt a cold damage hit of 5 or greater.
Here is my thought.
1. Do the pre-requisite battles.
2. Freedom Five(non-variant) defeat Progeny in Megalopolis
3. Absolute Zero must have played at least 6 ongoings.
4. Absolute Zero must deal at least 29 fire damage
5. Absolute Zero must heal at least 29 HP
6. Absolute Zero must deal at least one attack of 5 or more cold damage.
Have we confirmed yes/no that the ongoings must still be in play at the end? I had all 6 played at some point, but also some destroyed and not replayed.
Are there unlocks where Thermodynamics is used at all? Could it be that you cannot use his base power? (Just throwing ideas out here, have no basis for that thought)
Edit: I used Thermodynamics in my successful log above.
Just did a fight where I did all of those (had at least three instances both of 13 fire dmg and 13 cold healing), so we're missing something from this list but I like the idea as a jumping off point. Sorry no log, this was a mobile game. Anyone have questions while it's still fresh in my mind?
Edit: Ignore this. I had done the prerequisite games on my tablet, not my phone. I feel a little dumb.
Got both AZ and Legacy in one game once I played on tablet again. Here is the successful log.
You can definitely use his base power, my unlocked used his base power for every power or every one but one.
As for dealing cold damage, if it turns to healing it doesn’t get dealt.
MigrantP, can we get a hint or SOMETHING?
I gave a hint last week on the discord.
Could you repeat it in here for those of us not on the Discord?
"MigrantP - 02/15/2018 - Your spreadsheet doesn't track the part of the condition that has not been guessed."
Well then, we have a bit more guessing to do…
Well… What hasn’t been tracked?
How many cards did AZ discard for Blight?
Where in the lineup was he?
How many times did he take damage in place of others? (Via smoke bombs)
I know he has a substantial interaction with Tachyon, is there something there that we aren’t tracking? Is it how often/how much does he take damage in place of Tachyon? How much more/less health he ends with compared to Tachyon?
Edit: here’s the link to that image. Don’t know if it’ll help.
https://greaterthangames.com/421234220
At this point, I don’t think there are many bad ideas to consider.
THe spreadsheet checks lineup (its on the top).
Does not track blight discards, but... I can't see that being Lore specific.
Don't think its an interaction with another character, because none of the others have had one like that (for the F5) besides all being on the team.
Could be Card Draw? How many cards he has drawn?
Number of times he dips below a certain HP? (I could totally see him having to go down to below 10 hp and back up to full - he did that in my game, I am pretty certain)
Turns Sub Zero Atmosphere was active?
First, may I inquire as to the location of the spreadsheet?
Spitballing: given the variant’s emphasis on ongoings, and Impale being the only one that can be placed, is that ever tracked? Maybe you have to have both on Prog? Maybe they can both be on a Monorail?
He deals himself 2 damage. Maybe you have to deal more than 1 to AZ a number of times?
On a long shot: maybe he has to go under 10hp more times than his teammates?
Different question: there’s a Discord?!
Yup. Search "SOTM Realm of Discord server" and the first thing that pops up is the Reddit thread announcing it.
Um. The spreedsheet was linked somewhere in this thread, but now I can't find it. Sorry :/