Or more damage with a bell than an Omni-Cannon?
Or more damage with hail stones than a glacier?
Though Legacy might be the most Superman-like of this game, I don't think that means we can compare him to the god-like levels of power that Superman has. Though I might be on the FF side, I don't doubt for a second that Legacy vs. Haka could go either way.
I disagree, in a true fight, not just a friendly competition, Lagacy beats Haka. I say this for one reason: we know Legacy can be pushed over the edge, and I don't think Haka will ever go that far.
Haka can just give Legacy a stern look and send those Freedom Fogeys packing.
DEFINITIVE END. IT'S CANON NOW. DEBATE OVER.
This is how discussions work, right?
But what makes this fight any different than any other "true fight" with, say, the Vengeful Five? Since Legacy doesn't go "over the edge" in that fight, why would he in this one?
My thoughts on matchups and strategy.
FV plan:
1. Keep Tachyon free. Nobody is safe when Tachyon is rolling. If you can keep Tachyon clean she messes up everybody.
2. Keep Tempest on the defensive. He's the firepower of the Wardens, if he is free to nuke it is over. Bunker can do this.
3. AZ on Fanatic: You don't fight Fanatic, you slow her down, frustrate her. AZ can do that. If Fanatic gets on Wraith, Bunker or Tachyon the FV is toast.
4. Legacy has to push the agenda, don't get stalled in a strength vs. strength with Haka, go after someone like Tempest, Cosmic or Adept and make the Wardens panic. Haka is a crusher, but he doesn't fly, avoid Haka and make it a 5v4.
5. Wraith needs to keep someone occupied, Haka would be ideal, slow him, mess with him and don't get caught, and don't let him get to Bunker or AZ.
PWs Plan:
1. 1v1 Legacy: Haka can tank Legacy, and if he can take himself and legacy out of the match the PWs should win. Fanatic will have to switch onto Legacy at times, for short bursts until Haka can get back on him.
2. Keep Tempest in the fight: As long as Tempest is standing the Wardens will be insanely hard to beat. Captain will be big in this, as will Fanatic
3. Let Argent do his thing: If Argent is free to sing the PWs can each take on 2 of the FV (Legacy Exception).
4. Fanatic/Haka take out Bunker. If Fanatic can switch with Haka to keep Legacy 1v1, the other of them can go after Bunker and if they get there destroy the suit. When the Suit is gone Fanatic and Haka double on Legacy and it should be short work from there.
5. Captain is your wild card. If he can deal with an AZ or Tachyon the PWs will overcome a lot of the difficulty.
Projection:
it's all matchups and teamwork. FV have a huge advantage in that category, mainly because the PWs need Fanatic to fight smart, and she's much more a see target, destroy target kind of lady. I really think AZ/Fanatic decide the whole thing, if AZ can get under Fanatic's skin and get her to come after him (and not die horribly) the rest of the match-ups fall in line. Wraith messes with Haka as Haka tries to catch Legacy, Bunker lays down cover fire messing up Argent and Tempest while Tachyon messes them up even more. Hard enough to track a blur, harder to track it when it has insane cover fire. Legacy vs. Captain Cosmic: I think the Captain can hang with Legacy for a while, but Legacy is going to keep coming, and Captain won't last forever.
But then I wouldn't bet much on AZ against Fanatic, it's a gamble.
I think you nailed it other than put if I was the FV I would put AZ on Tempest. Tempest will mess with everyone except AZ, so if AZ can overpower him early, it's over with Tacky and Legs owning everyone else, by rushing hard. In the long fight, the PW win with just a greater power in general
Tempest would blow AZs suit sky high.
The F5 is so reliant on tech of all kinds and Tempest offers the biggest counter measure to all of that tech. You would need to double team tempest if you are the F5. The wardens don't nessesarily need to double team anyone as the F5 ringer is at least tankable with Haka.
the biggest challenge for wardens won't be Legacy, though he is am X factor. It's gonna be Tachyon. Wardens don't really have a great counter for her speed. Though I think cap cosmic could provide the best bet. But I'd take tach over Cosby 1v1.
fanactic could seal tachyon up though taking her out of the fight, buying time for Haka to tie up legacy, while focusing her efforts elsewhere, like Bunker.
I think Bunker can handle Tempest from range. Tempest isn't that tough, he isn't deflecting bullets or tanking an omni-cannon blast. If Bunker can stay away from the likes of Fanatic and Haka I suspect that suit could take a few lightning bolts and keep firing, though probably not in the best of shape. Tempest isn't going to last long is a straight fire fight with that suit.
When Tempest is forced on the defensive you run a tag team with Tachyon surprising him.
That's my opinion on the FV's best bet.
Which is why I rank AZ/Fanatic so high in importance, if Fanatic goes after Bunker that suit is toast, and Tempest has no counter.
Bunker vs Tempest makes sense from a V5 perspective. Bunker Is most likey grounded haha. But Tempest is better going after Wraith or AZ.
I would assume that Tachyon could take down Tempest almost immediately. Assuming her Lightning Reflexes are true to their name, he wouldn't be able to touch her, and there goes any dedicated healing the PWs might have had.
If Tachyon's abilities live up to card names the planet isn't surviving Lightspeed Barrage.
Fair enough, I suppose she'd have to stick to hit-and-run rather than actually force herself to dodge lightning, which sounds like it would require her to reach Pushing the Limits speeds, which could just end up killing her. Upon reflection, Tachyon is definitely not meant to be a brawler for any period lasting longer than a normal punch. She'd have to move away at that point or take a bolt, which I assume would fry her HUD goggles. And once she's without her goggles, she'd be having some serious problems.
Dark Watch could take both of them on.
Setback would just luck into taking the whole other team down. Thats not quite fair haha
To balance it a little, he’d probably be the cause for taking down his own team too.
I think a major factor is that the Prime wardens have access to the type of power that gets really bad when it goes out of control.
Look at Tempest- when he loses control over the weather, really bad stuff happens to everyone. For Fanatic, her powers all take an immense personal toll on herself, and if she loses control then she can go over the edge into slef-immolation and sacrifice. The Argent Adept can shake the earth and change the course of battles, but the brute force levels of power that a full-scale battle requires can leave him wrecked (we've seen the poor guy get impaled and crucified!). Haka will survive, and outlast, but he can be stopped on a temporary basis. He'll just be around to talk about it millenia afterwards. Captain Cosmic is phenomenally powerful, but (without getting into spoilers) is not without weaknesses. They also have forces that they keep in check- like Akash'bhuta and (we suspect) the Host. So pulling out all the stops could lead to diverting some of the power that they use to keep the bad things away.
The F5 have less raw power, but they can push themselves a lot harder without having to worry about altering the rotation of the earth, changing global weather patterns, or breaking the seals and unleashing the armies of hell.
Fortunately, they would solve their differences with a nice cup of tea and Haka's homemade biscotti.
Cheap answer but I think it could go either way. Depends on the situation, terrain, and whether the Freedom Five have any opportunity to plan.
The Prime Wardens could blindside and overpower the F5, but the F5 would be better at formulating a plan to outmaneuver and tactically drop the Prime Wardens.
I'd give the F5 the edge but not a huge one. 2 out of 3 odds they'd be able to adapt on the fly or stage a tactical withdrawl to plan, come back, and ultimately win. 1 out of 3 times the Wardens just overwhelm for the win.
I suppose we'll eventually find out.
When we get the Prime Wardens in Tactics. 