Warning spoilers below.
Today I learned in the letters page that in all the multiverse there are only 2 Hakas. However, I count more Hakas than that. I can see Savage Haka and Eternal Haka being the same person just from different times. However where does Extreme Prime Wardens Haka come from. It was very specifically stated who the other Haka is and it was not Extreme Prime Wardens Haka. I am very confused by this. What did I miss here?
My understanding is this (but I may be off because I found it a bit confusing):
-There were more than 2 Haka's before the OblivAeon event.
-During the OblivAeon event, someone or something linked 2 of these Haka's together such that neither could die if the other was still alive.
-This effect carries both forward and backward in time and is actually the source of Haka's immortality
-However, for Hakas other than the 2 that were linked they were erased from existance/ merged with 2 linked Hakas.
The XTREME Prime Wardens are kinda weird in general, since the fact that they're on the cover of Prime Wardens #1 suggests they're still our Prime Wardens who were just going through that unfortunate 90s fashion period at the time, yet later on they're distinctly presented as alternate universe versions instead.
(My new insane theory is that the portal was really time travel, our Prime Wardens didn't realize it because they were so embarrassed by their past phase that they collectively blanked the matter out of their minds as a coping mechanism after it was over, and other heroes have just been too polite to remind them it ever happened.)
I understood the same thing as Dandolo above : timey wimey shenanigans.
Someone, or something, or some cosmic entity, decided that an immortal warrior was a good thing to have to fight against OblivAeon. As the event unfolded, this entity X erased all incarnations of Haka from their respective realities and used their mana to link the lives of his two favorites - in the past.
The cause of Haka's immortality happenned six or more centuries after he became immortal.. Of course, if it does explain how the other Hakas disappeared, it does not explain how they, too, became immortals in their time lines. But with time travelling, reality altering entities, things rarely make sense for less enlightened beings.
I guess we'll understand better when the Authors will finally tell us WHO created Haka - it seems it will be coming in a future episode...
I bet on Guise. It may not be true, but it makes him happy.
It is a bit of a paradox, but Eternal Haka both existed for a time as the ultimate end to our Haka and ceased to exist during the Oblivaeon event when someone created the Hero Haka by combing all the versions of Haka into two beings.
IT is super weird and makes very little sense, because time and reality were bent like a pretzel due to OBlivaeon and Nightmist and who knows what else.
"Retcon : puts the bretzel in your realities !"
Can someone refresh me why we think the XPW are alternate-reality versions? I guess because they show up in the OblivAeon fight as revealed in the ARG?
My impression of the kind of vague explanations is that there are sometimes more than two Hakas as timelines split off. But for all the Hakas that aren't in the main timeline and the timeline of Arataki Wakarewarewa eventually get folded in to those two. That would account for things like "extra" Hakas from time to time.
Yea it seems to work in the sentinels universe that multiverse accure at a point of choices creating two or more universes in the process maybe these other versions arent built im to main hakas untilmuch later. Makes sense to me for some reason.
Once we start needing new verb tenses to describe sequences of achronal events, good luck with words.
I just call it Comic Book Logic. Does it sound cool, ok don't worry how it works.
I have basically two problems with this explanation. (I can wrap my brain around most of it because it works the same way as how Visionary was able to travel across dimensions after the OblivAeon event because it "hadn't happened yet" 5th-dimensionally.)
Yes. C&A said that there were exactly two Hakas (not Aatas), and there are. One in Tactics, one in the RPG.
If you’re thinking of the mist-gated Aata, presumably that one was combined into the “build a Haka” spell and doesn’t exist anymore.
This one is weird so I'll tackle it.
PW #1, as published in the Sentinel Comics world, was in the 90s. Hence why the cover has them looking all 90-fied. That was just the art style then.
Oblivaeon event is likely published somewhere in the 00's or 10's. When cementing the idea of the larger multiverse for the Oblivaeon fight, the writers brought in a PW team from another universe, but used their retro 90's looks for some cool throwbacks.
Here's the thing -- they said our Haka was mist-gated away, and thus wasn't part of the Tactics timeline.
And then he shows up anyway.
Does something re-open a connection between realities?
I'm not sure I buy that. "Haka" was created in order to fight OblivAeon. RPG-Aata was sealed in the other reality after the need for "Haka" had passed. So if there was a specific point in time before which there were multiple Aatas and after which there was only one, it was before RPG-Aata was lost.
They weren't very careful about explaining this, but my understanding is that Tactics-Aata was in the core reality (or rather, the Tactics reality at that point) when the gates were closed. Only RPG-Aata was off exploring when it happened.
The sense I get is that the circumstances of Haka's powers mean there aren't, indeed can't be, "Tactics-Aata" and "RPG-Aata." The only two realities that have an Aata, any version of anything like Aata, are the reality with the Haka we know, and the reality with the Other Haka. How that interacts with the nature of Oblivaeon and the collapse of realities and the shoring up of reality thereafter I don't know.
I think the reason they side-stepped this question is a super hard way has to do with the story of what Prime War is about. Whatever Prime War actually is might be directly related to how the hell our original Haka shows up after being stuck in another reality post Oblivaeons defeat which was supposed to make getting home impossible.
@mindwanderer: Haka was in other realities recruiting ppl to fight obliveaon. I'm almost 99% sure that he was still in those other realities during the time when Oblivaeon destroys Rook City (and when the timelines for the two games split). It doesn't make sense to me why haka would go back into the mists post this point since Nightmist was already dead at this time.
Also, the RPG and Tactics are two different universes within the entire multiverse. Post Oblivaeon there are only 2 Hakas within the multiverse. So there is the female Haka and the male one. Female haka is in the RPG as the main Haka, and somehow due to Prime War (whatever that means), the other Haka shows back up. In other words, as long as our original Haka is in the Tactics timeline, it can't ever show back up in the RPG, unless he leaves the Tactics universe somehow and goes to the RPG one.
Except that they explicitly said that Aata gets "locked out of this reality," that "he's not able to come back into this reality, and there's no more reality hopping because OblivAeon's gone." If, at the moment OblivAeon is defeated, all the alternate Hakas are condensed into those two (Prime War and Arataki), Aata wouldn't be "able to come back into this reality" because he doesn't exist anymore, reality-hopping or not.
Tactics is a separate reality from the RPG so I don't see how he would be excluded from ending up in the Tactis reality when he got cut off. At this point we have to wait for Prime War to get further explanation on how he ended up in the Tactics reality. My guess is related to the Block which only exists in the Tactics reality. My other thought is possibly something the Terminarch does.
I'm pretty sure the Hakas were condenced before Oblivaeon was defeated.
And again. There is still a multiverse. All those multiple realities still exist (except for a few) because Oblivaeon wasn't sucessfull in his goal. We beat him. Obviously the "cant travel between them anymore" only applies until it doesn't anymore, since we know Haka comes back in the Tactics universe.