Haka of Battle and Rampage (AKA Haka goes crazy)

Haka of Battle says: "Draw 2 cards, then discard 1 or more cards. Increase the next damage dealt by Haka by 1 for each card discarded this way."

Rampage says: "Haka deals each non-hero target 5 melee damage and each hero target 2 melee damage."

 

On turn N, Haka draws 2 cards and discards 5 cards. We put 5 "Damage Dealt +1" tokens in front of Haka.

On turn N+1, Haka plays Rampage. By our reading of the card, the next damage dealt by Haka is the non-hero targets taking 5 damage, so all non-hero targets took 10 damage. Then, the damage dealt +5 was complete, so the heroes only took 2 melee damage each (which, in our case, was all redirected to Legacy who was immune to melee damage, but the question is still fair...). Did we play that correctly?

The next damge he deals is just one single instance of damage.  So the very first non-hero target he hits will take 10 damage, the rest will take 5, and the heroes will each take 2.

Was Legacy redirecting the damage using his Lead From the Front card?  That only works on damage from villain targets, so he could not redirect Haka's damage.

Well, yes, it was Lead From the Front, so that we DID do incorrectly. Thanks for pointing that out.

And if you're correct (and I have no reason to doubt you), we played that half incorrectly too. So, thanks :)

I'm not familiar enough with Legacy's card to comment on that. But with regard to Haka's card, if it came up at my game, I'd rule it the same way dypaca just said -- because it says the 'next damage dealt' it would be the next instance of damage that is increased, so reading in order of the card, it would be the first non-hero target that you target would get the bonus damage done to it, and everyone else takes standard listed damage.

(that said, i'm no expert on the game; I'm just saying what i understand and how i'd play it if it ever came up for me)

 

 

Oh, and it will come up if you play Haka, especially if you play the Eternal Haka.  But yes, Dypaca is right, on both counts.

 

wait

 

so dypaca your saying that the Damage boost will only be delt to 1 non hero target?

 

Thats now how i read that… the damage being delt is to -all- non hero targets. It happens simeltaneously as one action. One effect. The damage boost  from Haka would effect all non hero targets not just a single because allthough to remove confusion we deal the damage singluarly to one card at a  time (especially for perhaps int he case of Citizen dawn or the Ennead) it is still one source of damage. 

Meaning that the next source of damage is the 5 to all no hero targets, +5 to the next source is 10 to all non hero targets.

I agree with lynkfox. You would deal +5 damage to all heroes and nonhero targets since its all lumped together as "next damage". That will clear the field fast!

I see the logic to reading it that way, but I think the damage to each individual target should be treated as separate, even if it is all coming from the same words on a card.

After all, when you apply something like Punish the Weak, it has to increase or reduce each damage separately, not treat it as one communal damage going out to everyone.

There is no "simultaneously" in the game.  Even an effect which seems simultaneous is just a string of sequential events.  I agree that it would apply to the first enemy target only.

I would like to think that it would increase all of Rampage's damage, but Christopher has stated that it only affects the first target he hits.