Well, carrion fields targets all but the highest I believe (not looking at my deck right now, forgive me if thats not right).
The good thing about smoke bombs is it tends to equalize hp. So lets assume that everyone is at equal hp. Say… 25.
A bird is killed.
Matriarch deals 2 damage to the highest. We’ll call that Hero A. Hero A is now at 23. Heroes B, C, and D are at 25.
So lets calculate carrion fields. It attacks hero A, smoke bombs redirects to D at -1 damage, D takes no damage.
Carrion Fields attacks hero B, smoke bombs redirects to D for 0 damage. Ditto for C.
Hero D gets attacked, redirect to hero C for 0 damage.
This occours when the heroes are very close to each other in hp. Though this sounds like it wouldn’t happen too often, play a few games with smoke bombs and you’ll see that hero HP tends to stay very even.
My Smoke Bomb reads - Whenever a Villain card would damage the Hero with the lowest HP, redirect that damage to the Hero target with the highest HP. Reduce damage redirected this way by 1.
So in your example, A at 23, B, C, D at 25. Carrion Fields attacks all but the highest. Let’s call D the highest. So A, B, C is attacked.
Resolve A first. A is the lowest HP, hence Smoke Bombs activate, redirect to D and -1 dmg, so 0 to D.
Resolve B. B is not the lowest HP, B takes the hit.
Resolve C. C is not the lowest HP, C takes the hit.
So Smoke Bombs only negated 1 point of dmg.
i.e. With Smoke Bombs, final result is A 23, B 24, C 24, D 25.
Without Smoke Bombs, final result will be A 22, B 24, C 24, D25.
Is this correct?
If so, Smoke Bombs isn’t really that useful against Carrion Fields, IMO.
Well, if one of the heroes has a DR of even 1, then ALL of the Matriarch’s damage would be neutralized.
Let’s say, Haka with Ta Moko, Wraith and 2 others. They are all at 25.
Matriarch attacks Haka, because he has the highest. He also has the lowest, so it redirects to himself (still the highest) and -1. -1 again for Ta Moko. That’s 0. Then Carrion Fields does the same thing 3 more times.
Take it ANOTHER step further, and have Legacy with Lead from the Front. Even if it targets the highest, or they all aren’t perfectly even, he can redirect it to himself, who is at the lowest. Then it redirects to Haka for -1 damage. That way Carrion Fields is still neutralized.
If you Stun Bolt the Matriarch, she won’t make the heroes uneven, either.
So, Smoke Bombs works best when more than 1 hero is tied for lowest HP?
And having Smoke Bombs in play tends to make heroes all have even HP, hence increasing the possibility of creating situations where more than 1 hero is tied for lowest HP?
In other words, the longer Smoke Bombs stays in play, the most powerful it becomes?
I still think Smokes Bombs is pretty situational. It depends on heroes being tied for lowest HP. Guess I’ll try it out on Matriarch the next time and see how it works out.
First, I didn’t ask a question, that was someone else. Second, someone had already answered that question satisfactorily, so a one word answer adding nothing is not necessary. Third, the ellipsis that you used means taking a break before answering the question, as though you think it is obvious and therefore need to steel yourself before answering. If that was not the intent, I apologize, but ask you to be more careful with your word and phrasing choices in the future because I cannot see how else you might have meant it.
My phrasing is fine. Your reading comprehension is what needs improvement.
There have been multiple instances in which someone has asked a question, and it has been answered multiple times. Just because one person answers doesn’t mean no one else is allowed to.
The ellipsis was there to indicate that, since multiple, very specific questions were asked, I had to take a few seconds to think about what questions were being asked.
And if you didn’t ask the questions, then I wasn’t talking to you, which means me ANSWERING them is none of your business anyway!
I’ve always felt the Smoke Bombs were useful in any situation, purely because they slow the lowest HP hero in their decent to 0 and they reduce the damage the heroes take as a whole. In some situations they truly shine, but in general they are usually worth playing. (And yeah, the way they bring everyone to the same HP so they work even better is just wonderful! 8) )
First, everyone please stop. dragonlordged’s interpretation was not flawed - it was simply one of many ways in which the ellipsis could be interpreted. It’s the nature of text communications - things often do not come across as intended. It’s easy enough for the two views to be resolved by saying what was understood and what was intended - the the accusations and insults are not productive nor useful.
We all need to be respectful and polite on this site, or we’re going to end up with ugly situations (like this) that drive people away from the game we all love and the community we want to grow around it. I don’t think any of us want that. :-\
Yes, I realize I can often come across as abrasive, but there is no need to jump down someone’s throat because you misinterpreted. Just… ask, next time?
(Also, one of my typing quirks is the tendency to use a lot of ellipses and semicolons. Most of the time it is just to put forth a more accurate representation of my pacing, were I saying it out loud.)
Played first game against Matriarch last night. It was a slaughter, she never had a chance.
Alt. Wraith, Expatriette, Young Legacy and Absolute Zero.
First turn, Alt Wraith stun bombed her, Expatriette SMGed the fowl and Young Legacy made her not draw cards.
Second turn, Wraith boost her projectile damage while keeping Matriarch low, Expatriette play her ongoing that kill fowl as they appear, Young Legacy boost hero damage.
Third turn, lets say Young Legacy one more play the card that doest allow Matriarch to draw his deck.
Fourth turn, Absolute Zero deal himself 18 damage fire to do her 19 damage cold and the win.
No cohort helped a lot, the trash was back to play 2 times with the one shot, but instantly dispatched for the fowl (and quickly for the Mask that never had time to proc after the first vilain turn). The hero combination was overwhelming for the poor Matriarch and the initial card draw was very good too. I can hardly of a more perfect hero set to kill her, except perhaps switching Absolute Zero for Haka to keep her cards out of the trash.
Well, I dont like to open a new thread if there is an existing thread related, so I do a search on Matriarch and pick up the first one that seems related :p
It’s easy enough for the two views to be resolved by saying what was understood and what was intended - the the accusations and insults are not productive nor useful.