Jack Handle + Friendly Fire = Infinite combo?

[Greywind]

@Rabit

…which still fits your theory from a certain point of view…

"Help me, Obi-Wan. You're my only hope."

[Silverleaf]

@Reckless

I don't think he was playing around with language…Or was he?

Dont trust the man with the beard. Even if at some point he doesn't have a beard.

[Rabit]

I'm glad someone got that…

[lynkfox]

@Foote

 

lynkfox wrote:

Instead of changing chard wordings, the ruling can very simply say that 'Also' means that it is part of the same instance of damage. So Jackhandle would do its damage to all targets, and at the same time hit Setback. Its still one original source of multi targeted damage, and does not trigger anything new. No need for errata. Just a clarification that also means that its part of the same instance of damage - this instance of damage being a group of little ones, but they are not triggering a loop. Think of it this way. the word 'Also' is a tie to the damage. It will metaspace change  Jackhandle to read 'Whenever Mr Fixer would deal damage to a target, he deals that much damage to all non-hero targets and may deal Setback  2 damage for each one per the rules on Friendly Fire' Thats the intent obviously, and how I read it.  Otherwise Jackhandle loops itself if you think about it the other way. Because it reads 'Whenever Mr Fixer would deal damage' - so he just did damage to 12 minions. Well thats whenever, so he hits them all 12 more times. Oh look thats 12 more instances of 12 more times so .... yeah.  

Hey Lynkfox, I really like the way you presented this argument. I totally agree with you on what the intent for the card is. This is the least messy way to think about it, even if it does get a little meta. This is the way I will play it from here on out.

glad it helped.

[Greywind]

@Silverleaf

Dont trust the man with the beard. Even if at some point he doesn't have a beard.

…so don't trust Ra?

[Craig]

@Greywind

 

Silverleaf wrote:

Dont trust the man with the beard. Even if at some point he doesn't have a beard. ;)  

...so don't trust Ra?

Corporeal reincarnations of ancient gods with only one nipple are not to be trusted.

[Silverleaf]

@imprimis5

Greywind wrote:

 Silverleaf wrote:

Dont trust the man with the beard. Even if at some point he doesn't have a beard. ;) 

...so don't trust Ra?

Corporeal reincarnations of ancient gods with only one nipple are not to be trusted.

Definitely not.

I offer you as evidence the fact that my boyfriend is currently rocking some Breaking Bad style facial hair (not at all inspired by it, but since he actually looks a bit like that guy the resemblance is often commented on). It would be foolish to trust such a person. 

[Craig]

@Silverleaf

 

imprimis5 wrote:

Corporeal reincarnations of ancient gods with only one nipple are not to be trusted.

Definitely not.I offer you as evidence the fact that my boyfriend is currently rocking some Breaking Bad style facial hair (not at all inspired by it, but since he actually looks a bit like that guy the resemblance is often commented on). It would be foolish to trust such a person. 

Is he missing a nipple?

[Silverleaf]

I just asked him and he checked and say no, he seems to have the requisite three. 

[Greywind]

Does he have a golden gun to go with the third?

[Silverleaf]

No. He says he does have a gun, and it's black.

[Silverleaf]

Apparently, he has two. 

[phantaskippy]

No Comment.

[Silverleaf]

Just checked out the legality of said guns. Apparently, he's okay. 

[Nielzabub]

I don't think the Jackhandle, Friendly Fire combo is broken. If Fixer hits Setback, it's an extension of the attack he's already doing to the non villain targets. It's not a seperate attack, but just a modification of the one made on the villain targets. Setback doesn't take the full damage from attacks because he wasn't the main target, he was just sort of in the wrong place and ended up taking some damage. So I don't think Jack Handle and Friendly Fire should go in an infinite loop.

[phantaskippy]

@Nielzabub

I don't think the Jackhandle, Friendly Fire combo is broken. If Fixer hits Setback, it's an extension of the attack he's already doing to the non villain targets. It's not a seperate attack, but just a modification of the one made on the villain targets. Setback doesn't take the full damage from attacks because he wasn't the main target, he was just sort of in the wrong place and ended up taking some damage. So I don't think Jack Handle and Friendly Fire should go in an infinite loop.

No.  Dual Crowbars is two instances of damage.  If you use Dual Crowbars and Jackhandle together everything gets hit twice.

I don't see how Friendly Fire would be any different.

[Nielzabub]

Dual Crowbars is two seperate attacks hitting two different targets. Jackhandle hits all nonvillain targets, Setback gets too close to the action somehow and takes some of the damage as well. He's not getting hit with a seperate attack, it's the same attack. The damage may end up slightly different, but there isn't a seperate attack aimed solely at Setback.

[Greywind]

Setback just becomes another "non-hero target" in the swing of things.

[Reckless]

@Greywind

Setback just becomes another "non-hero target" in the swing of things.

Playtesters went through Hell figuring out the wording on that blasted card.  There were a few iterations that had something to that effect printed on it.

[Foote]

@Greywind

Setback just becomes another "non-hero target" in the swing of things.

I think that is the thematic intent