Master of Magic: Whenever you play a spell card, Nightmist regains that card's (*) HP.
This came up in today's game. When Scholar plays Don't Dismiss Anything and Nightmist puts a Spell card into play, knowing that Playing and Put Into Play are different mechanics and given the wording on Master of Magic, does Nightmist regain that card's (*) HP?
Strictly by the wording on the cards, I would say no. But intuitively, I think the intent of Master of Magic had meant to say "whenever one of your spell cards enter play".
No she would not, for the exact reason you have specified. Put into play and playing are two seperate things. She also doesn't regain HP for the card she can put into play using Heedless Lash, which is something that would ovvur more often.
Stemming from the discussion about taking the intent or spirit of the card into consideration when interpreting cards, I feel that the intent of Master of Magic is to allow Nightmist to regain HP whenever any Spell card enters play by any means. Nightmist is still the spellcaster.
Anyone also feels that's the way Master of Magic is intended to work?
No, in fact I feel that Master of Magic is worded the way it is specifically to prevent lifegain through Heedless Lash, or DDA or Timeshift. If it was intended to do so, it would have been worded differently.
The Greater than Games team are the ones who ruled that playing a card and putting it into play, and if I remember correctly, that ruling came out before Infernal Relics, and so I don't think it's in the spirit of the card to allow NM to gain HP when one of her cards is being put into play.
So if I follow your logic that would mean that it is perfectly legal to use Omnitron-x time shift power to put in play cards for Bunker in recharge or turret mode or even Visionnary and Nightmist in cocoon and mistform respectively. After all, those cards prevent card playing and not putting cards in play. Am I the only one that feels that this bends the spirit of the game even more than assuming putting in play triggers master of magic healing?
If such is the case Omnitron-X just became even more powerful than I believed…
There are actually two reasons that will work. First, putting into play bypasses cannot play, as well I believe those cards say ‘You may not play cards.’ If something else were to play cards for you, then that bypasses it as well (although I do not know of different sources causing a card to be played, only of other sources putting cards into play).
I am at work and cannot confirm, but doesn’t headless lash say ‘you may play that spellnnow’ not put it into play… so if I’m correct in that, then master of magic would work off headless lash
personally, that distinction is not one that I’ve ever enjoyed - its too word picky and not make sense on what you first think. I understand is come straight from the top, but that doesn’t make it any less gimmicky in my mind.
I can actually see the opposite of this. When NM plays a spell, she performs the incantation, gestures, etc. When MoM is in play, it adds something to the spell being cast. However, what I see when something like Timeshift is used is that the power is drawing a random spell out of her, but she is not actually casting it.
I play L5r and am picky about words in competitive tournament play too but in my coop free fun time, I try not to. unfortunately my friends are always that way so even in our fun time they get word picky
This doesn't make much sense to me. Omni is casting the spell himself? The spell casts itself? When some else's one shot gets timeshifted, I'm assuming they still take the action the card depicts rather than stuff (Just happening). Tach still runs around, Chrono shoots someone, etc. I'm not sure why, flavourwise at least, you would assume she's not casting the spell herself in the context of a Timeshift.
I've always pictured it as Omni shifting time to a point where the results of the action happen without the need for the actual action, no cause and effect here!
but in my coop free fun time, I try not to. unfortunately my friends are always that way so even in our fun time they get word picky 