So if Guise copies every ongoing card another player has, and then that player switches battle zones Guise instantly loses his copies of the ongoing cards? Even though they were in the same zone when he copied them? That's beyond counterintuitive.
Yes. The same thing would happen if Guise became an Isolated Hero with Miss Information (which also works very similar to how Battle Zones work).
The same thing would happen if that hero was KO'd and those ongoings went out of play, right? Makes sense to me. Going out of your battlezone is like not being in play as far as your card is concerned.
Guise working this way is the least confusing interaction to me. Uh Yeah constantly copies the other hero's current ongoings, even if they leave or enter play, so if they weren't in his zone, of course he can't copy them anymore. What's bizarre to me is when an effect can continue if its source leaves the game entirely, but not if it moves to the other zone.
Agreed. For my own better understanding, what are some examples of that phenomenon?
I'm not entirely sure, but hasn't it been said that some effects which have durations (eg Galvanise, Counterpoint Bulwark) will wear off if the hero they belong to moves zones? And yet in a non-Oblivaeon game, if said hero is incapped, they continue to last until they normally would (usually the start of that hero's next turn) because they have specified that duration.
Does Galvanise stll stick around until the start of Legacy's turn if he is removed from the game by the Final Wasteland? That might be a better comparison to switching battle zones.
Yes, removed or not Legacy still has a turn and the Galvanize affect lasts until the start of his turn comes up.
Here's my understanding, which could still easily be wrong:
- Untargeted effects, like Galvanize, are "attached" to the card the text of that effect is written on. So if Finest Legacy uses the power and then moves to the other zone, it affects all hero targets in the zone he moved to and no longer affects the hero targets in the zone he came from.
- However, if that card is removed from play or the text on it is removed, it remains in effect in the zone it was last in until the effect expires.
- Targeted effects, like Counterpoint Bulwark, require both the card the text of the effect is written on and the target of that effect to remain in the same zone. So if Counterpoint Bulwark is used on Unity and then either AA or Unity move to the other zone, the effect is suppressed until such a time as they're in the same zone again.
- Again, if the card is removed from play, it remains in effect if the target remains in the zone it was last in.
- I'm not sure what happens if the text on it is removed (e.g. if someone uses the power on Uh Yeah I'm That Guy copying AA's play area with Counterpoint Bulwark in it). I believe it continues to function even if AA and Uh Yeah are no longer in the same zone as long as Uh Yeah and the target are in the same zone, but I could be wrong. It should work the same was as Isolated Hero, which someone could test (not with Counterpoint Bulwark in particular, since the video game doesn't implement that, but other ongoing with powers could be.)
- I'm also not sure what happens if the card goes to a different play area (e.g. is destroyed and put under Dark Mind). I'm inferring that if Counterpoint Bulwark goes under Dark Mind and then AA moves to the other zone, the effect continues if Dark Mind and the target are in the same zone. I could definitely be wrong.