OK, that makes sense.
The rule about only being able to use incaps in your own play area isn't something that's established in the rules of the game and I just missed, is it? Was that a later clarification?
It'll definitely make Oblivaeon more challenging if we can't all use Tempest's incap power! :-)
I thought Galvanize took effect at the moment the power is used, and then lasts until the start of Legacy’s player’s turn regardless of whatever else happens (like Legacy being incapacitated).
I tend to think of it as:
Some heroes like Legacy have their effects because of their direct presence. Legacy gives you a +1 because he’s just in your vicinity being Legacy even if he’s incapped, Ra gives you a +1 because he’s standing there constantly setting everything on fire, etc.
In contrast, someone like Argent just poofs a one-time thing of stuff onto you and sends you off, it’s a change done to you specifically that doesn’t require the other person’s presence to persist for a time afterwards.
Agree. Galvanize is BZ-constrained, Things that target specific targets are not.
See also: Bounties, Links, Akash'Thriya's cards in the trash, etc.
If you're going to quote me, please actually quote me. I do not recall ever having said "targeted abilities remain with their target" and that is not the case. From the rulebook:
“Unless stated otherwise, cards and effects in a battle zone cannot affect or be affected by anything in the other battle zone.”
I’m gonna quote you on that.
Sorry, I misunderstood and don't have access to the Discord logs at the moment. I know we were told that By Any Means continues to function if separated from Chrono-Ranger, but Twist the Ether does not (because Visionary can't make decisions regarding it).
So if, say, AA uses Syncopated Onslaught on another hero, and then that hero is moved to the other battle zone, does the effect end? Would the effect resume if they were back in the same battle zone before the effect expired? I haven't heard of anyone playing it either way before.
Is Syncopated Onslaught in the same battle zone as the hero? If so, it can affect the other hero. If not, it can't. That's the rule I quoted above.
I'm going to admit I'm actually with MindWanderer and McBehrer, then, in that's not at all the way I would have expected it to work.
I'm even more surprised that the target has to remain in the same zone as Syncopated Onslaught, not Argent Adept. After all, the effect persists if Syncopated Onslaught is destroyed. (And AA and his tunes, or their equivalent, can be in separate zones with Guise shenanigans.)
The question is whether "affect" checks instantaneously or continually. To take an extreme example, damage. Damage isn't removed if the source and target stop being in the same zone. It just checks once and is then permanent. Effects with durations could work the same way.
This Fireside Chat can't come soon enough.
I'm curious how you think that AA and his songs can be in separate battle zones.
If it helps, you can think of the two battle zones as two separate games of Sentinels. An effect in one of the games cannot have any bearing on the other game.
I admit my flaw is that I tend to approach the game at least partially from a thematic level... which Sentinels being what it is, is usually a fairly congruent approach. This is one case where it apparently isn't.
Vocalize on Uh, Yeah, I’m That Guy copying AA"s play area. Or Guise using I Can Do That Too or Lemme See That to use a Perform, same deal.
Or better yet, base Argent Adept as the Representative of Earth. Not only could he and his song be in separate zones, both could be removed from the game entirely and the song’s effect would persist.
If Guise and The Argent Adept are in different battle zones, Uh Yeah, I'm That Guy (or any other card belonging to Guise) is not aware of The Argent Adept or any of his cards.
Sure, The Argent Adept could be a Representative of Earth. The rule about battle zones still applies.
As usual you are free to play the game on the tabletop however you like. The digital version will implement the rules as intended by Christopher.
I don’t think you understand the problem then. It’s not about whether they’re in the same battle zone at the time of activation. It’s about what happens when they move afterwards.
Example: Greatest Legacy and PW AA are in zone 1 in the Celestial Tribunal. Vanilla AA is the Representative of Earth. Legacy lets AA use his power on Syncopated Onslaught, targeting both heroes. Then:
I understand just fine, thank you.
1. The effect persists until the environment turn, and only affects the targets when they are in that battle zone.
2. The effect persists until the environment turn, and only affects the targets when they are in the battle zone with Syncopated Onslaught.
OK, then what about when both happen? What if SO moves and then is removed from the game? What if it is removed from the game and then the hero who replaced its owner moves to the other zone? I'm guessing it stays with its original play area, but clearly my intuition is not trustworthy here.
Oh, and what about Dark Mind? That's another way SO can be in the other battle zone--it can go under Dark Mind and then AA can move to the other zone. And what if AA is incapped at that point? If the effect stays tied to Dark Mind's zone, then what if it's under Dark Mind when AA is incapped and then he moves?
I'm not going to try to answer every edge case question you have, because I'm not Christopher. I will just refer you to the rulebook once again.