Recycle the environment and villain trash?

[sbtang]

HI there,

 

Quick question from from a newbie.. When you run out of Villain or Environment cards to play, do you recycle the trash back into play?

[Nielzabub]

You shuffle the trash and resume playing the deck.

[Reckless]

When you need to draw next.  If you have a full trash and a card isn't played from the deck yet, you don't shuffle the trash into the deck.

[sbtang]

thanks!

[Ameena]

Also, as far as I'm aware, you only shuffle when you need to draw. If you're told to discard from the deck and there is no deck (because it's all in the trash), you instead do nothing. Most likely to be relevant (in the case of the environment) when you're fighting Akash'Bhuta :).

[Nielzabub]

And Matriarch.

[broccoli]

I'm pretty sure if something says to "discard" the top card of an empty deck, it forces a shuffle.  Discard, draw, and play all force a shuffle.  Only "reveal" does not.

[Ameena]

Really? Oops...I'd been ignoring it if I was supposed to discard and the deck was empty...

[broccoli]

Pretty sure.  I seem to remember Christopher describing that very action as part of an example using (as mentioned above) Akash'bhuta and the environment deck.  I couldn't point to the exact thread, but it was sometime during IR playtesting.

[Ameena]

Hmm okay - I thought I'd read somewhere that you only shuffle when you need to draw a card, therefore a discard is something different.

[Christopher]

Broccoli is correct. Discard, draw, and play all force a shuffle. Reveal does not. 

Hope this helps!

[Ameena]

Oh, thanks Christopher - looks like I've been getting Akash'Bhuta (among others) wrong all this time, lol. Oh well, now I know :).

[flamethrower49]

Oh, good.  That tells me how to handle Spite's power-sapping drug reshuffling the deck.  Now, if only I knew whether that happened before or after the power actually happens, I'd be in business.

[broccoli]

After.  I asked Christopher in a thread (it's in Spiff's FAQ) regarding Stun Bolt and the damage that accompanies that drug's effect.  He said the damage would be reduced by the Stun Bolt, so it happens after the power's effect.

[Katsue]

@Christopher

Broccoli is correct. Discard, draw, and play all force a shuffle. Reveal does not. Hope this helps!

I had no idea. This desperately needs to be in the Shattered Timelines rulebook (or in online versions of the existing rulebooks).

[Koga]

So does this overwrite the previous official ruling in the Silver Gulch thread? Here's a few quotes from that thread. Edited to avoid revealing too much about the environment.

@TheJayMann

If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure that it was stated a discard doesn't cause an environment/villain deck resuffle, the discard is simply cancelled. Also, a trash is not resuffled unless a card is to be played (environment/villain) or a card is to be drawn (hero). A trash is not to be resuffled simply because the deck is empty. So, even if there were only one or two cards left when played, it would simply put all the cards in the trash.

But, since I've been told that discarding doesn't cause a resuffle, this isn't an issue.

@Koga

I've always played that discarding can cause a reshuffle. Haven't seen any official ruling that says you don't reshuffle if you need to discard and there is nothing left in the deck. With this environment depending on the answer, would be nice to get an official ruling.

@Christopher

You would only reshuffle when a card needs to be played and the deck is empty. That said, if people play it "wrong", they'll reshuffle and then discard, so that's not too huge of an issue.

[Christopher]

Whoops! Yes! I misspoke there. I'm going to blame it on all the card creation nonsense. Teach me to not think through what I say!

Ignore that bit o' nonsense in the playtesting forum. Discard, draw, and play all reshuffle. Reveal does not.