Who's seen it? Thoughts?
I did! I was wondering if there would be an Off Topic thread about this.
I have seen it. I am too awed to actually find any legitimate flaws at the moment though.
I saw this as part of a double bill Wednesday night, it is a solid 8.5/10, full of unexpected turns and twists well worth a watch even if your not super into Star Wars
The only flaw I really noticed was that if purple-haired captain lady had just told Poe her plan, he probably would've been fine with it and that would have made things much easier. The whole Finn and Rose mission wouldn't have even happened. I'm just not a fan when conflict comes purely from characters unnecessarily refusing to communicate.
Ah, but she didn't need to. She was in charge. Why should she have to explain herself? Poe is supposed to be a consummate officer, and he should accept orders.
She didn't NEED to, but she didn't have a good reason not to other than an attitude of "I'm in charge, so you just have to listen to me." It would have made more sense if there was a reason the plan had to be kept secret, like they were worried there was a mole aboard or something, but nothing like that was mentioned.
funnily enough conflict coming from a refusal to communicate is pretty realistic.
I'm really angry at kylo right now. Could he just have the descency to not want to destroy everything.
Why do you have to find flaws? You can always relate stuff you like!
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- Something this movie did really well was setting up scenes that look familiar from the Star Wars canon (like the Emperor's throne room on Death Star II - some of Snoke's lines were directly lifted from that scene) but then taking them in a completely different direction.
- As soon as Luke appeared on that battlefield, I noticed that he had the wrong lightsaber - Anakin's, which we had recently seen destroyed. I immediately thought he was doing some kind of trick. Then he withstood a ridiculous blaster assault (badass! and what shade he threw!) and fought Kylo Ren in a manner that didn't ever involve physical contact, reinforcing the idea that he was projecting an illusion. It was totally awesome, and I liked having the hints of it there in front of us.
- Likewise, the moment Kylo Ren turned on Snoke, I wondered what he really wanted. I doubted he'd turn to the light side. Interesting that his take was sort of a transcending-the-sides-of-the-Force one, that he wanted to cast aside both Jedi and Sith. But he still wants to impose order and rule.
- Rey had a kind of similar moment, when she goes into the dark side cave on the island. She went right ahead an investigated the dark side, despite Luke's uging not to. But her reaction was: meh, this doesn't offer anything for me. It's not the kind of struggle we saw Luke go through. Something tells me she will have a more holistic and confident view of the Force going forward.
- Kylo Ren, on the other hand, certainly has a more sure view of himself now than he did in the last movie. As several characters noted in this one, he has been torn apart by murdering his father in a moment when Han was showing him unconditional love.
- They did a great job showing how Luke's confrontation with Ben Solo could have been interpreted differently by each of them.
- I love Yoda's attitude.
- The lightspeed jump through the First Order ships is one of the coolest effects I have seen in a space battle.
- Luke will totally be a Force ghost. What a way to go, expending all his power on an illusion halfway across the galaxy to buy time for the Resistance fighters. And illusioning the dice from the Falcon all the way until Kylo could find them - what a troll Luke Skywalker is!
- I noticed that by the end of the movie, the Resistance were calling themselves "Rebels."
- I really wonder who those allies in the Outer Rim are...here's hoping we see Lando in the next movie.
- A couple things that might have been tough to catch: the kid with the broomstick at the end briefly uses the Force to pull the broom to him, and my wife is certain that when Finn opens up the drawer on the Falcon to get medical supplies for Rose, the Jedi texts are in there. There are some good threads for the next movie to pull from.
- I really wanted to see Leia show off some Jedi powers. And, wow, I got that.
- The scene where Luke ('s illusion) talks to Leia is immensely powerful in retrospect. In the movie, he seems to be talking about Han. But in the theater, I thought that he was talking about Carrie Fisher. And then, by the end of the film, I realized he was talking about himself, as well.
- John Williams kicks so much ass.
- They are gonna sell a bajillion of those rings.
It was fun, still enjoyed Ragnorak a lot more. There were some great part and some part I was asking the movie "Really saving space horses made it worth it? How about the slave children that are going to be punished for your actions? Or the rebel ship you are where sent to try and save! "
Was pissed off when they played bad guy music for the purple hair commander. She was my favorite new character. Her last scene, so good very creative. I am going to see it again just for that moment. And Po learns his lesson right quick after that. I hope they introduce the gray force user idea. Where the force is Balance in all things. Dark side is not evil. Light side is not good. But it is Disney so I doubt we will get a deep concept like that. Secretly I want Ray and Ben to meet in the middle and go off as a new kind of force users. Joda had a good moment. Forget the past and start your own future.
I do hope Luke was the last "Jedi" and Ray become something new.
Just gonna say one of my favorite scenes right now: R2 and Luke meeting again and R2 playing the "help me Obi-wan Kenobi, your my only hope" thing to convince Luke.
Couple thoughts:
- Nitpick #1: The X/A Wings have their own hyperdrives. The rebel fleet doesn’t need to wait for them to dock before jumping to hyperspace
- Nitpick #2: When the First Order was shooting at the Rebels, the shots appeared to be arcing. That’s what physical projectiles fired in proximity to a gravitational source do. But turbolaser batteries/cannons fire energy blasts. In space.
- Holy Crap that was Awesome #1: Luke is bad ass!
- Holy Crap that was Awesome #2: Music was, once again, fantastic.
- Holy Crap that was Awesome #3: Definitely a lot of unexpected twists in there.
- Holy Crap that was Awesome #4: Great acting pretty much across the board.
- Holy Crap that was Awesome #5: Why do I have to wait until Wednesday to see this again?
i love how your only nitpicks are thing that are scientifically inaccurate in a movie full of scientific inaccuracies.
The Force Awakens and Last Jedi look like they are both playing with projectile/weapon behavior. I mean, how the heck does the Starkiller weapon split apart the way it does in the Hosnian system? What’s with Kylo Ren’s fire-saber? What are the ventral cannons on Hux’s ship firing? There seems to be an overall mixing of the behavior of lasers and artillery shells in both movies. I kind of agree that it looks a little funny.
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This movie was trying to kill me through dehydration by crying. Almost any scene with Carrie Fisher in it (esp. Leia using the Force), Yoda appearing, Rose saving Finn, Luke and Leia’s “reunion,” all had me teary eyed.
Then they decided to pull out Binary Sunset as Luke went into the Force. Such a beautiful reflection of the start of Luke’s journey back in IV. Waterworks.
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I just… guh… this movie. I honestly don’t understand how people didn’t like it
Because people had expectations that weren’t met. They wanted Luke to be more central to events/more active and less focus on the new characters.
I saw one negative reaction lamenting that so much time was spent on characterization because that's "never been what Star Wars was about" - like, they wanted the movie to have shallow characters because that's what the old ones had.
I mean, I've been trying to figure out exactly what my feelings on it are since I saw it yesterday. What I can come up with as negatives are:
- My continued disappointment with the films canonizing the idea of the Dark Side being part of the balance in the Force (opposite the Light) as opposed to being the imbalance itself, but I've been fighting the long defeat on that front for a long time due to non-film continuity additions, so this is just more of the same, really.
- The chase scene on the casino planet. I thought there were some good ideas being presented in that setting in the first place, but the chase itself... meh.
- The ticking clock being tied to spaceship fuel running out and a long slow chase - couldn't the First Order have just jumped a few ships ahead through hyperspace? They weren't running out of supplies.
Yay Star Wars!
Boo character deaths, even when they were earned.
When Luke walked out of the blaster fire I figured he had died in it, and was "force ghosting" himself to face Kylo, the reveal was better. (Did he leave foot prints? I didn't see)
The silence when Laura Dern made the FTL jump into the fleet was far more effective than a huge boom was, I was almost disappointed when the sound came back in.
I... Leia always needed more connection with the force, but that was just ridiculous.
Why did we need someone to say "salt"? Was it just to show that they weren't redoing the snow/Hoth battle from Episode 4?
Kylo killing Snoke? Sorry but that was played out. Did anyone not see that coming? (except Snoke) And why did those guards fight on? Don't get me wrong, watching Kylo and Rey fighting side by side was great, but why were they fighting?
Why did the First Order not get more ships to jump in closer to the fleet? Was that the majority of the First Order on the "death star 3.0" when the Rebels blew it up?
This was an interesting movie that was too long and had a silly side plot (Finn & Rose) that went nowhere and could have been easily exercised.
According to the people I saw the movie with, their second showing so they spent all of time both paying attention to minor details and watching my first reactions to the film, Luke did not in fact leave footprints. I think the whole salt thing was both a "this isn't Hoth" thing and the fact that Kylo made footprints in the salt and you could apparently not see Luke leaving marks, so the scene made you pay attention to that.
I really loved it. I'm going to be watching it again. My favorite article on it had a headline "Toxic Masculinity Is the True Villain of Star Wars: The Last Jedi".
He did not. They made a point of it: the red salt that was normally kicked up was visually striking, and they had a close up of their feet a couple of times.
The silence when Laura Dern made the FTL jump into the fleet was far more effective than a huge boom was, I was almost disappointed when the sound came back in.
That was my favorite moment. So effective.
Why did we need someone to say "salt"? Was it just to show that they weren't redoing the snow/Hoth battle from Episode 4?
Beyond the other purposes, this was part of building up to the force ghost reveal. (Also, Luke looked way younger as a projection.)