Perhaps. I’d rather see a reprint of an old promo that we’ve already seen, but others have missed. Young Legacy, for instance.
There's defending controversial practices, and then there's outright trolling; you sir or madame, have just crossed into outright trolling here.
Would you consider these games:
StarCraft: The Board Game | Board Game | BoardGameGeek
To be the same as these games?
They're very faithful adaptations, and do an excellent job of capturing the spirit of them. But if someone said that buying the board games was just a natural extension and part of the experience of buying the video games, I'd have to laugh at them. And this is coming from someone who loves both the board game and video game versions of them. And if you were being honest with yourself, you would to.
Beyond that, both of the video games in question are available as physical copies, so if you buy a game and its expansion, you can decide to sell off the game, just its expansion, or do whatever you want with it. It's not like the abuses practiced in digital distribution platforms like Steam, the Apple Store, or Origin where you have to keep whatever you "purchase", and can't trade away the parts you don't want.
Also, those of us who want the physical card probably already have the physical version of the game- and with a lot more content than is likely to be in the app from the get go. So the very crowd that this promo is supposed to be for is the same crowd that's likely to not want the game at release, and will likely wait for a price drop as they already have it in some form. Especially when the only platforms available are those that are horrendous for gaming, without any buttons whatsoever.
And lynkfox, the only one here that's really been acting like Terrible_Company is MigrantP. Terrible_Company was clearly a troll poster, and just because someone is opposed to an idea, that does not make them a troll, so long as they discuss it in a calm and civil manner. There have been many people on both sides of the issue in this topic, but the only one here that's clearly trolled thus far is MigrantP. You can disagree with us civilly, or you can agree with us civilly, but comparing us to trolls just because you don't like the fact that we're questioning the practice of cross-selling (which has long been a controversial business practice) is nearly crossing over into incivility. Please check yourself before you become the very thing you're complaining about.
MigrantP is the one developing the game…
That doesn't excuse their mistreatment of others in this topic. If anything, it makes it all the worse.
What mistreatment? All MigrantP has done is list how you can get it. I'm sure this is more of a case where GTG offered this to Handelabra to help them boost sales and get SotM out to more folks. As the case with every promo if you aren't there at the right time or place you'll have to make proxies or wait until GtG releases their unlimited pack someday.
They've trolled multiple times; first when they claimed that the digital version of the game was just part of the physical version, and then when they tried to claim that a tablet was the best platform for playing video games. Their lack of professionalism is comparable to the X-Box One guy that said "Deal with it" on... Twitter, was it? Or was it on their FaceBook? Doesn't really matter, the point is, when you're selling a product, you should act professionally when responding to your critics. Do you have to follow what they say? No, but you shouldn't act like a child throwing a tantrum when doing such.
I would consider these to be the same games:
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Which is a better comparison, in my opinion.
I can only get the Warlords of Draenor (WoW) themed deck back for Hearthstone if I purchase the Warlords of Draenor Deluxe Edition, which is not only a completely other game, but a more expensive version of that game. I can only get the Loot Goblin battle pet in WoW if I purchase the Deluxe Edition of Diablo III. Heck, I can only get the Grunty Murloc Marine WoW battle pet if I attended the 2009 Blizzcon. So, it's not just that I have to attend Blizzcon to get this pet, I had to have attended the 2009 Blizzcon, or else I'd have missed out. And Blizzcon tickets sell out in seconds, so it's not just a matter of having the money or being conveniently located geographically, you also have to be cosmically lucky to get this promo item.
And there is no easy option to be able to use any of these items in your games if you weren't able to score one of the promos like there is with SS Tachyon. I just hope we can keep things in perspective, here. Cross-promotional items are pretty standard, and everyone here hopes that everyone who really wants to be able to play with SS Tachyon gets to do so, one way or the other.
I'm not going to respond to personal attacks, which I don't believe are appropriate on this forum.
MigrantP said that tablets was the best market for digital board and card games (not all video games), which in my experience/opinion is definitely the case. Which seems to be consistent with the multitude of digital adaptations out there, such as Ticket to Ride and Ascension (as I linked to above), along with Star Realms, Quarriors, Stone Age, Settlers of Catan, Summoner Wars, Alien Frontiers, Agricola, Eclipse, Small World, Le Havre, Lords of Waterdeep, etc. And that list is just apps I currently have on my iPad. I'm sure others could give many, many more examples.
So if I made a crack about your cow avatar, you wouldn't have anything to say about it? That's pretty inviting…
I can't speak for Ascension, but I'm quite certain that Ticket to Ride doesn't come with any electronic features right out of the box. The digital version is a seperate purchase, and neither is made to enhance the other- which is the claim MigrantP has made about the digital version of Sentinels of the Multiverse.
Since we're speaking of video games, let me draw the comparison this way: Imagine if Civilization V came with an exclusive expansion for Civilization IV that you could only get by preordering Civilization V. On top of that, before you can get said expansion, you have to register Civilization V on Steamworks and lock it to your account, where it cannot be given away, traded, or sold. You could still give away or trade the expansion in question, but that's the part that Civ IV users want anyways, so that does them no good.
That sounds like a completely plausible thing they might do, since they can cross-promote their products however they see fit. If you wanted the promo, you'd jump through the hoop. If you weren't able to do it, you'd miss out, but in that case, you'd have no way to play their promo, which isn't the case w/SS Tachyon.
But they're a horrible market for it; give me a mouse, a D-Pad, and analog stick… Even an Atari-style joystick would generally make it easier to control them than a touch screen. Touch screens aren't well suited for this style of game where movement is generally "locked" into place. Now, it'd be good for say, an adaptation of miniatures games that require you to measure and don't have "locked" movement (in other words, games that don't use specific spaces), but a card game isn't anything like that at all.
That's not to say that they're unplayable in such a format- thanks to the turn based nature, being able to control them quickly and effeciently is not as much a necessity, but to dismiss it entirely seems foolhardy.
And here we're back to the crux of the matter: Is cross-selling an abusive business practice or not? Obviously, you disagree with me on the matter; And that's fine- because you've kept your discussion of your point of view civil. You might be right. I might be right. At least one of us is wrong.
Funny you should mention this; admittedly, this is a tangent that has little to no direct bearing on the current discussion, but I felt I'd share it anyways: I actually have the StarCraft II Collector's Editions, both for Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm. I have a friend that's into World of WarCraft, and has all the corresponding Collector's Editions. If I could trade my WoW pets for his StarCraft avatars, I'd do such in a heartbeat; unfortunately, Blizzard decided it'd be better if they were wasted on accounts that can't even use them.
There is good example on the GtG twitter page right now about sometimes you just have to be at the right place at the right time.
https://twitter.com/GTGamesLLC/status/501021389806370819
That does seem to be the crux of this strangely emotional issue. If you think cross-promo is appropriate, then the arguments against likely sound like the people are just saying "I can't or don't want to do what's required to get the candy, but I should get the candy anyway". If you think they're not appropriate, then the fact that you have to do anything besides buy and support the game you love feels like a betrayal in the first place. It's almost like the two sides aren't even arguing the same thing.
Thank you for giving us this information. Much appreciated.
Seconded! The third incap is going to super fun in Freedom Tower while the Maintenance Bay is in play.