What does every villain think about every other villain?

Challenge accepted! So far I’ll limit this to just the 24 core villains (treating the Ennead as a unit) plus Bugbear, Biomancer, Greazer Clutch and Sergeant Steel; I might come back later and add the other members of the Vengeance Five. I also won’t bother including OblivAeon, since his opinion of each of them is “must be destroyed” and their opinion of him basically boils down to “thanks but I’d rather exist”.

Baron Blade & Citizen Dawn - As established, both are too “arch” to ever tolerate the other directly becoming involved in anything they’re working on, so they basically would end up splitting the planet between themselves, like Spain and Portugal did during the Renaissance.

Baron Blade & Voss - Had Voss been content to leave Mordengrad alone, the Baron might not have cared, but since the Gene-Bound attacked there as well as everywhere else, Blade will always carry a grudge against Voss, though Voss for his own part probably doesn’t even notice Blade, at least not until after Oblivaeon.

Baron Blade & Omnitron - BB thinks of Omnitron as simply a machine, not acknowledging any sentience in it, and Omnitron thinks of BB as just another human to exterminate. Their relationship is not what you would call improved after the Baron builds Omni-Blade; technically the Omnitron lineage would have ended if not for that, but O5 and thereafter don’t have any capacity for gratitude on the topic.

Baron Blade & Chairman - I believe I’ve already written a full dissertation on the compare-contrast between these two somewhere; to summarize, they have really intriguingly different personalities, as Chairman is a perfectly sane sociopath while BB would actually be a very just and charitable person if not for his maniacal ego. The two would be capable of having a degree of mutual respect as imperialist monarchs, capable of transacting business between each other like Russia and China during the Cold War; their interests are sufficiently localized that they’d be unlikely to ever come to blows, which is good since neither one would give the other any quarter if that did happen.

Baron Blade & Matriarch - She probably thinks he’s sorta cool when she doesn’t know him very well; goths love an East European accent, and as long as he seems like a mysterious high-status figure, she might well romanticize him. That’d end fast if she got to know the real Ivan, as he’d be hugely disappointing to her teenage-crushing viewpoint. He for his part would probably not even notice her existence, and this becomes more true the harder she tried to make him pay attention; even if she caused serious harm to Mordengrad, he’d probably just send some robots to kill her instead of personally acknowledging any opponent so petty as a girl with a magic theater prop.

Baron Blade & Plague Rat - Not much to say here; despite the two both having a connection through Revocorp, they probably don’t personalize recognize each other’s existence to any significant extent. When captured by Task Force I-R (that should be their canonical name, RIP), the Rat becomes just another of the resources that Mark Benedetto has access to, and he doesn’t even directly report to the Baron, so the odds of BB more than vaguely knowing that the Rat exists are almost as small as the Rat being aware of anything outside his immediate sensory radius.

Baron Blade & Spite - No real relationship in canonical terms, although we can easily imagine a Disparation story where Pike Industries bundles Donovan up and airmails him to Mordengrad where he can go on a rampage (probably as a result of the previously alluded-to possibility of Chairman and BB going to war for some reason).

Baron Blade & Akash’Buta - He’s just another human for her to exterminate if he happens to be born during a century where she’s due to awaken. And he probably wouldn’t believe she existed unless he saw her with his own eyes, at which point he’d probably be interested in studying her and harvesting some of the power she possesses.

Baron Blade & Apostate - If Bezaliel ever tried to get the Baron to fall for one of his schemes, I can see that spiralling out of control very quickly. However, Apostate probably mostly prefers to play with the heroes, as they’re so much more entertainingly self-righteous about it; as two of the most over-the-top black-hat villains in a setting, these two really don’t leave any space for each other’s brand of theatricality to exist in the same environment at once, so they’d probably just kind of back off from each other so as not to be upstaged.

Baron Blade & Gloomweaver - These two are the respective commanders of large minion groups, so they’d be unlikely to directly interact, but the Battalion and the Cult very well might trip over each other a lot in pursuit of objects of power or kidnap-worthy innocents. If a series of such boondoggles were to spiral sufficiently out of control, the two might well end up coming to blows, and Gloomweaver would have a huge early advantage there, since Blade is a man of science and would not put much initial thought into having the Realm of Discord start messing with his dreams, trying to bring him subconsciously under Gloomweaver’s influence. Eventually, though, the Baron would probably figure out what was up, and build some sort of alpha-wave inhibitor chamber to sleep in, quickly ending the nightmare-god’s effort at corrupting him. Whether Blade did any more than that would depend on whether Gloomy was close to physically awakening; if it seemed likely, the Baron would prepare for it, and the Demon-God Incarnate would probably emerge into a killzone of energy cannons that would make short work of him. So the best odds Gloomy has of eventually beating the Baron is to avoid being noticed by him until he’s got about half of the planet under his thrall.

Baron Blade & The Ennead - Not being in Egypt most of the time, Baron Blade probably wouldn’t especially care about these self-styled “gods”; if they came to his turf, he’d handle them, but otherwise they’re somebody else’s problem. They for their part probably don’t think him any more impressive than a typical human; all his impressive technology means little to them, since they have magic, and spells don’t melt in the desert sun the way robot tanks very easily do.

Baron Blade & Iron Legacy - The cleaning staff of the Castle of Mordengrad were puzzled one day to discover a spot of blood and grease on the floor of the Baron’s private sleeping quarters. Despite not actually being the same Ivan Ramonat who killed Angry Paul’s daughter, he’s close enough that he would never have gotten a second’s warning.

Baron Blade & Kismet - These two are not operating at the same “tier” of criminality, and thus probably wouldn’t ever interact, nor think much about each other if they did.

Baron Blade & La Capitan - I can see there being a certain measure of fascination and respect between these two; Cappy doesn’t stay in one place or time for long enough that it would make much difference, but I can easily imagine some sort of whirlwind fling between the two, in which Blade was significantly the more invested of the pair (not so much “love” in any meaningful sense, so much as being excited at the prospect of possibly fathering an heir to carry his vendetta forward a generation). Once she sails away again, he’d probably be somewhat pensive for the next several months, wondering if a baby in a basket is going to show up on his doorstep the next week (or the previous one).

Baron Blade & The Dreamer - Dreamy probably saw some news footage of one of BB’s rampages in Megalopolis at some formative age, so a twisted illusion of him could well appear in one of her manifested nightmares. The Baron probably has no idea the Dreamer incident ever happened, since canonically it didn’t involve Legacy and thus it wouldn’t have come to Blade’s attention.

Baron Blade & Deadline - Neither of these likely has the slightest respect for the other, as each thinks of himself as being in the right, but is utterly myopic and self-fixated about it. They would make for a very “aliens vs. predator” sort of conflict, with no real victory possible, and a lot of collateral damage regardless of the outcome.

Baron Blade & Infinitor - Since Infinitor is just a madman who sows accidental havoc everywhere he goes, not having any real active sense of malevolence, he and the vengeful Baron have nothing whatsoever to talk about. Asking what BB thinks of Infinitor is like asking what BB thinks of a forest fire, and Infinitor probably doesn’t have enough lucidity left to even notice that BB exists, even while being directly attacked by him.

Baron Blade & Kaargra Warfang - “What? You speak to the great Baron Blade of GAMES! Begone, woman, I have no patience for your irrelevant prattle!” “Ha! You will make a spirited combatant indeed!” These two would be hilarious to watch in action, as the Baron does everything in his power to ignore and dismiss Kaargra, who insists on treating his attitude as a ringing endorsement of her efforts at roping him into her games. Physically getting him into the Arena would be tricky, but if she and a couple Bloodsworn just follow him around with cameras for a few hours, periodically trying to fight him, and he does as little as possible to try and get rid of them - which, given the way he operates, ends up being more than sufficient entertainment in spite of himself - and thus the cycle continues. Ultimately this won’t end until the Fickle Fans get bored of the Baron’s personality, and that might take a very long while.

Baron Blade & Progeny - This is pretty much the same question as Luminary vs. OblivAeon, although the Baron might be a little more confident in his ability to capture Progeny and then deploy him as a weapon against Legacy.

Baron Blade & Ambuscade - Little chance of direct contact between these two, even though it would be hilarious to see them trying to out-ego each other. As with the less inherently interesting Kismet match, they just aren’t operating at the same level.

Baron Blade & Miss Information - After her revelation, I can see these two being very tight; it’s a pity that VOTM Miss Info and Vengeance Blade don’t have much mechanical synergy, as the way that Blade protects Friction’s devices seems like a better fit for Missy in personality terms. Ivan hates Legacy specifically, while Aminia has an equal mad-on for the entire FV, but the two agendas are pretty thoroughly compatible, and I can easily see them having a close working relationship, which could stay completely professional or turn quasi-intimate with about equal ease. To speculate a bit, I would say that while Miss Info hates the Freedom Five specifically, and channels a lot of that hatred into the experience of having to pretend to willingly serve them, she also has a deeply instinctive service-submissive personality (after all, this other-universe Aminia was a perfectly loyal secretary up until the moment of her “death”). Thusly, in hating her bosses for close to ten working years, she was building up a strong desire to have a working relationship with someone she doesn’t hate, and thus when she starts hanging around the Baron, natural commander that he is, she would instinctively start taking a subservient role. She would be deeply ambivalent about this, sometimes triggering her hatred of having to toady to the FV, but then reminding herself that she isn’t with them anymore and can tolerate the Baron’s demanding ego in the name of pursuing her other goals, while at other times she is openly drawn to BB’s forcefulness and happily plays Girl Friday to him, often more than he’d want her to. Of all these relationships I’ve mentioned so far, this one narrowly loses to Kaargra as being the one I’d be most interested in actually developing with a fanfic or the like (I don’t really think I’m good enough to write this one though, while the Kaargra one is just a bunch of hijinks with no deeper emotion, and I actually could manage to finish that one if I just sat down and worked on it for long enough.)

Baron Blade & Wager Master - Oh god, the Baron would be SO annoyed with WM’s childish antics, and unlike in the KW scenario, I don’t see this one being funny at all in how it would play out; BB would just refuse to play, and Wags would end up sulking and stalking off when it’s clear that he’s not getting enabled the way he wants. The fact that Kaargra has an audience other than herself to play to really makes all the difference in the world here.

Baron Blade & Chokepoint - Honestly I don’t have a solid enough read on Chokepoint’s personality to be sure about this one; I think they’d just end up having a power struggle over which one of them owns a bunch of his devices. Eventually he’d jury-rig something made out of plastics and ceramic that she couldn’t disassemble, and she’d be driven off; I don’t think either of them would be likely to take it personally, so an entertaining vendetta seems unlikely here.

Baron Blade & Biomancer - I think any chance of a degree of mutual respect here was soured by the fact that Biomancer opted to create a Baron Blade imposter (the flavor text in the app whenever you play Blade vs. Luminary tells us exactly how a meeting with Repli-Blade would have gone down). The two might otherwise have gotten along decently, since they’re both hands-off master manipulators with enough of an ego to want to be personally involved in the outcome of their master-stroke (via a clone in Biomancer’s case, but he’d still be there in spirit, rather literally). But, t’was not to be.

Baron Blade & Bugbear - As a rather exceptional human specimen, the Baron would make a very tasty morsel for Bugbear’s eternal hunger, and if Luminary ever loses a game to Bugbear, I’d imagine it means a rather unpleasant fate of being kept captive for weeks while his Repair Nannites fight a losing battle to keep him alive, as the pseudo-vampiric Bugbear feasts gluttonously on this renewable resource and tries to avoid accidentally killing the golden goose. This scenario is troubling enough that I’d be tempted to “canonically” rule that the Baron has a “contingency measure” in effect whenever he fights alongside Bugbear in a VOTM match; maybe he bathes himself in some sort of chemical spray that will conceal his scent completely, to ensure that Bugbear never comes after him during a moment of weakness.

Baron Blade & Greazer Clutch - To the best of my knowledge, C&A have never explained why exactly it’s always 1958 on Greazer’s home planet, but Baron Blade has been active since the '40s, so let’s go with my personal theory that the original television waves that broadcast “Happy Days” during its heyday have only just reached the space sector where Mama Clutch’s no-good adolescent was first picking up the bounty-hunting trade. These programs were popular enough among the aliens of Galactic Cluster WKXR that they promptly began styling their entire culture accordingly, and it’s easy to assume that at least one episode would have been interrupted with breaking news of an attack on Megalopolis by giant robot tanks protecting a doomsday machine, and the cameras would have caught the Baron himself speechifying about his impending triumph (at which point he activates an EMP device to shut down all of Wraith’s devices, and the recording cuts out until next week’s show). Now if there’s one thing you can say about Mr. Clutch, it’s that he’s a man with style, and he approves of others of similar ilk; while the Baron isn’t exactly Mr. Fashion Sense, Greazer could appreciate his general “vibe” well enough that this might have been one of the reasons he first got around to actually visiting the Earth, despite its distinct shortage of employment opportunities for someone who’s always a few payments behind on his credit-hungry vehicle. The Baron for his point would find GC entirely laughable, but might suppress this reaction long enough to hire him to go after Legacy (who is after all one of the more likely candidates for that “high HP” designation which determines who Greazer is contracting upon in any given VOTM game).

Baron Blade & Sergeant Steel - This one is refreshingly straightforward; both men have a professional work ethic, a collection of high-tech gear, and a fondness for explosions, so I think they would get along fabulously. Few of the other villains are capable of as great of a level of professionalism towards the FILTER mercenary squad, so Sarge would likely regard ol’ Ivan as one of the better bosses he’s ever subcontracted with.

Whew, 28 down, 378 to go. I dunno if I’ll ever make it to the end of this list, but the last 6 entries are probably fairly self-explanatory, since all of the VOTM decks were designed together and pretty adequately reference each other. I’m pretty nigh guaranteed to get at least the second part of the list written in the very near future, since Citizen Dawn is one of my favorite characters in the entire Multiverse, and I’ll have great fun imagining her in a bunch of potential ships (which I can feel free to get a little more steamy with, since she’s of the gender I prefer).

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Unfortunately, doesn’t work that way, as anything transmitted is indistinguishable from cosmic background by the time it’s past Alpha Centauri.

But did you just turn Greazer’s planet into the Junkions from Transformers?

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Not super-familiar with the Transformers franchise, so no, any resemblance is coincidental. Also you don’t know how good Greazer’s people are at reconstructing a badly decayed signal; it’s conceivable that they could manage to collect and unscramble the whole transmission, though GOK why they bothered to try.

I commend your effort for even starting something like this. Good luck!

Oo, I hadn’t ever thought of there being Dreamer Projections of villains. We know there are some of the heroes (see: Dark Hero), but Projections of villains actuality make a lotta sense. Very interesting . . .

As Mark Twain (allegedly) said, “Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.”

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We already have the Macabre Specter, who’s based on either Mr. Jitters or Skeleton Key, I forget which. And I think there might have been a real Treacherous Ape at one point in the early comics, though he was later retconned as just being a Projection of Dreamy’s toy. Really stretching the definition of “villain”, we also have the Toy Master, who’s one of the doctors that was experimenting on Vanessa. But yes, Macabre Specter is the only one we have that’s for sure, and there could unquestionably be others.

(Although I didn’t 100% intend for Blade to be a projection, at least not at first; I just figured he might appear in her nightmares. Presumably not EVERY bad dream she has comes to life. But once one writer put BB’s twisted visage into one of her dream sequences, another one would decide his Projection self had to happen. Could even lead to more imposter fun.)

As to my taking on a project of this size, that’s kind of what I do. No project is too ambitious for me to begin, only too petty for me to bother with. It’s rare for me to actually complete anything, but that’s only because I lack sufficient resources (notably time and patience) to follow through on my grand designs.

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Okay, finally doing part 2, and I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for a third, but this was seriously fun, so it might not take quite so long this next time. Note that probably unlike when I was doing all the Blades, I’ve typed these in order from the bottom up, so I recommend reading in the same sequence to be able to follow a few references I ended up making to my earlier work. Also, I probably originally planned to do this project in equal sized chunks, so there ought to be one more entry here which is the last two villains from the list (Greazer and Sargent Steel), but honestly I don’t feel like bothering; should this work continue, I’ll eventually have to start dealing with the shrinking list and double up somehow, but for now I’ll put that problem off until later.

Citizen Dawn & Voss - Honestly, these two might just have a space beer together and work out some sort of power-sharing deal, where Dawn and a few select Citizens become a strike force of sorts, and Voss settles for conquering only part of the Earth, at least for now. It’d be an uneasy truce, and Dawn would probably recognize that she was being used and start planning to rebel, but Voss of course knows that and would have countermeasures in place…honestly it seems like it could be a pretty interesting and tense situation. Both would kinda respect each other, though they work on very different scales of conflict. Ultimately though, Dawn would think as little of blue Thorathians as she ever did of humans, and Voss is never going to look at a non-Thorathian as anything close to an equal regardless of their powers; any alliance between them would be short lived at best.

Citizen Dawn & Omnitron - Death to all humans, yes, they agree on that. But Omnitron probably also wants death to all super-humans, and Dawn definitely wants to destroy all technology, so eventually these two will have to try and break each other. I’m pretty sure Dawn wins this time, though she doesn’t really know jack about computers, so the Omnitron code can slink away into some nearby wireless toaster and start recompiling itself into a more powerful version that will come back and try again later; that will happen several times before Dawn finally figures out some sort of mega-aurora EMP she can do that will burn out all of his potential backups at once and finally put a stop to him.

Citizen Dawn & Chairman - At first, Dawn would absolutely loathe the Chairman, as he is the absolute incarnation of everything detestable about humanity; it’s honestly surprising that she’s never canonically tried to incinerate the entire settlement, just to get the proverbial mote out of her eye. What I find interesting about this is that if she personally went to confront Pike, and he learned from his soon-to-die Brokers that this was coming, he’d likely order all his security to stand down and cordially invite her in to talk. Upon learning that he uses chemicals to prolong his life indefinitely, Dawn would at least consider reclassifying him; he could be considered a powered person of sorts, a la Blood Sweat and Tears, apart from the effect on his body being invisible. However, even if he himself might get to live, not one of the subordinates he entirely depends upon would get a pass from her, so at best she might agree to move him down the priority list, and perhaps suggest that he work on upgrading his servants to something she can stand to let live. However, all this is assuming she doesn’t have designs on anything in Rook City; if she sends some Citizens there to try and operate, and they get wind of what’s going on, she’s quickly going to go from considering the Organization simply offensive in its humanity, to regarding it as an outright threat. Once that happens, though, all Pike’s various political and financial snares become useless, and open war between Citizens and Organization goons is the only possibility. This might very well result in him having to compromise his secrecy a little and call in government aid, despite the fact that any surviving soldiers will probably notice how bad this place is and create scandals that are hard to sweep under the rug. If he survives this confrontation at all, Pike will likely be forced to do a bunch of rebranding; it will be a far bigger mess than any of the heroes have managed to inflict on him.

Citizen Dawn & Matriarch - When still in insufferable theatrical villainess mode, Lilian probably adores Dawn (other than in terms of her fashion sense, which isn’t Goth at all, but that’s okay, it just means less chance of jealousy), but Dawn would have little patience for her. At the same age they probably had similar personalities, but even aside from the fact that Matriarch is using a tool and thus is just another garbage human, her obnoxious personality would get on Dawn’s last nerve within mere moments. It is very much to Lilian’s benefit that she didn’t reign as Matriarch long enough to learn of Dawn’s existence, let alone try and seek her out.

Citizen Dawn & Plague Rat - With no particular malice, she incinerates this creature as soon as it poses a problem for anything the Citizens might want to try and do in Rook City (see the Chairman for more on this).

Citizen Dawn & Spite - Jack Donovan is a cunning and shrewd sociopath, and Dawn doesn’t exactly make her agenda cryptic; he’d have her number in nothing flat, and could absolutely easily convince her to accept him, at least temporarily, as Citizen Spite. If forced to conform to the “buddy system”, he’d play along for a while, and carefully concoct stories to make it not seem suspicious at all that the heroes keep killing everyone he goes out on a mission with. His goal would be to eat enough Citizens that his power rivals hers, and eventually try and eat her; he knows that slipping up once means the end, and so he’d be extremely careful. Ultimately what determines whether he’s successful is mostly how severely compelled to hunt he is; if he can stand to “play nice” while scoping out all the Citizens for their weak points, he may well be able to set up an “order 66” kind of situation where he can take them all down in short order and finish up by going after Dawn. But overall, the odds that his hunger would get the best of him are pretty good, and if he has a chance he’ll walk away and disappear into the human herd again. It’s almost too bad, the two of them share a lot of the same outlook, but she at least has a somewhat sustainable version of it, so a drugged-out murder junkie just isn’t going to be able to keep up with her 4-D chess in the long game.

Citizen Dawn & Akash’Buta - The more Akash understands what she’s looking at when she opens a slumbering eyelid and peeks at Insula Primalis, the more likely it is that she’ll just hit the geological snooze button and wait for Dawn to do her work for her. It’s hard to think of two villains who have more similar goals and yet less reason to try and cooperate.

Citizen Dawn & Apostate - Hoo boy, I keep giving mystical villains the win against Dawn, and this one in particular is hard to argue with. She’s smart, but very rigid and patterned in her thinking; his lies and deception could really weave circles around her. Honestly, the thing I believe would stop Dawn losing this encounter (and while I didn’t mean for all of these to be confrontations, this one definitely would be, since there’s no way Bezaliel is just going to be friendly and supportive to someone that would be this tempting to try and manipulate) is just the idea that Apostate doesn’t take her seriously and makes a trivial but crucial mistake (like failing to wear a shirt, when she sort of reflexively dislikes any display of masculinity at the best of times). Once she realizes that he’s playing some kind of trick on her, it’s gonna be on, and while he has a lot of resources to make her life difficult, he’s not even close to being able to win a straight fight. She can’t kill him, he’ll just go take another body, and he’d probably try three or four gambits, but she’ll be wiser to his tricks every time, and eventually he’ll get bored and decide there’s more fun to be had elsewhere.

Citizen Dawn & Gloomweaver - There are other villains Gloomweaver has a bigger problem tolerating, but not a lot of them. While there’s nothing heroic about Dawn outside her own mind, and not much even within her most delusional dreamscape that resembles hope and happiness, she is still too elementally positive not to be an existential threat. The Cult of Gloom and the Citizens of the Sun might well have a lot of positive interactions as they pursue their very disparate goals, but eventually when there are no other opposition forces, these two will HAVE to come into conflict. I’m tempted to give this one to Gloomweaver for similar reasons to why I’ve already had her lose to Biomancer and the Ennead, but unless he’s able to seriously pollute her psychic landscape with his nightmares, I just don’t see it. Even the Rotting God can’t outmatch Dawn when she’s creating “light zombies” and incinerating his own cultists so they can’t rise again; the Cult could probably kill every other Citizen, but Dawn would never give way to Gloom, not without a LOT of mystical factors going his way.

Citizen Dawn & The Ennead - I think a measure of genuine respect is possible here; they likely wouldn’t so much divide the world as just rule their two localized enclaves with an iron fist, slowly expanding and avoiding territories they might contest between them so as to minimize potential conflict. The Ennead would be content to preserve that detente forever, but Dawn would eventually realize that the “gods” are ageless while she herself is noticeably aging, and that the Citizens of the Sun can’t carry forward into a world where the Ennead grows too dominant (this is not her caring about the Citizens as a people, but rather as a monument to her existence that can outlive herself). Thusly, she would eventually be the one to provoke a confrontation, but lacking any understanding of magic, it’s very likely she’d lose when attacking all of the nine together. If she’s smart she’d try to draw them out one at a time, but the odds she can offer them anything they want are slim, so overall I see this scenario as probably ending with an Ennead victory, although not for a long time and not without a LOT of damage on both sides.

Citizen Dawn & Iron Legacy - Both of them think they’re right to make right with their might, in violent rejection of anyone who might disagree; there’s a certain element of tragedy in the inevitability of their opposition. Theirs would be a true clash of titans; Dawn might well forbid her Citizens to interfere, as this genuinely dangerous opponent engages her competitive nature more than anything ever has. (She also would probably think, though definitely never say, “Darn it, where were you back before I had a daughter!” They never could possibly be a couple, but she’d be one of the few men she’d ever even imagine considering worthy, had she not already crossed that bridge and refused to ever do so again.) Which one wins is hard to figure out, but either way, they are matter and antimatter, no compromise would be possible, and the whole world would hold its breath until the battle was decided.

Citizen Dawn & Kismet - No other villain is closer than Kismet to Dawn considering her a kindred spirit; if they sat and talked for a while, and Kismet willingly assumed a submissive posture during this conversation, the two might become something almost resembling friends. Kismet has enough of a brain not to try and do any fate-bending shenanigans anywhere near someone as unforgiving as Dawn; one tiny backlash would enrage her new “mentor”, and even her personality would have to be subdued. But honestly, Dawn has more reason to WANT to like Kismet than just about anyone else; they’re very opposite on the law/chaos axis, yet for all that both are strongly inclined toward self-definition and rejection of societal norms. It’d be high stakes gambling for Kismet to try and cultivate Dawn’s fondness, and it could very very easily go horribly wrong, but there are few happier endings possible in villain territory than if these antisocial outcasts manage to win each other’s genuine respect.

Citizen Dawn & La Capitan - I’m gonna cheat a little bit, not for the first or last time, and basically look at the villain-hero version La Commodora instead of the actual villain, because that’s what I find interesting (and because the Cosmic Contest suggested it). Dawn would actually have to ponder the question of whether LC counts as a superhuman or not, because at first it wouldn’t be obvious that her teleportation and similar feats are coming from a technological source; hopefully Maria Helena would pick up on Dawn’s biases fast enough to refrain from summoning Cannon Portals and the like, but instead pretends she is indeed a natural teleporter (and not just somebody with a car parked outside the window they keep reaching into, while claiming to have conjured these objects from the air itself). Once Dawn figures out the charade, she’d be even more enraged with LC than with someone like Parse or AZ who uses technology as much or more than their superpowers; for all of her time shenanigans, Maria Helena is still a baseline human, and thus Dawn’s doctrine mandates that she be treated like scum, all the more so because she briefly cheated and made herself appear otherwise. Hopefully LC could get away, significantly singed, and Dawn has no method of following her - but the 20th Century might be off MH’s radar for a while after getting her clock cleaned to such an extent.

Citizen Dawn & The Dreamer - A lot about this one hinges on how the Dreamer situation comes to Dawn’s attention. It’s likely that she’d encounter some Projections in the course of trying to recruit one of the more human-seeming ones (Dark Hero and Macabre Spectre, maaaaybe Treacherous Ape, but definitely not The Toy Master); not being much of an investigator, Dawn would take quite a long while figuring out where these things are coming from. But once she works out what’s up with the future Muse, she’d pretty definitely go after her, either personally or via Citizens H&A. There are no card game rules that make it possible, but if you could somehow play H&A against the Dreamer, they’d hit her for extra damage and v/v; she is a Vanessa Long after all, so even if she’s not the one H&A went out looking for, she’d do, and they’d probably enjoy the havoc of trying to get to her. It would be appropriate if one of Dreamy’s last few hastily-manifested Projections managed to take down Hammer in somewhat the way Dark Mind did, before Anvil clocked the girl with a relatively gentle hammer-tap and teleported away with her. But once she was secure on Citizens of the Sun territory, Dawn would probably never go near her until she’d been thoroughly “re-educated” into sharing their supremacist outlook as well as controlling her powers consciously…at which point, watch out! No longer satisfied with just treating humans as garbage, Dawn would now use this weird evil version of Muse to completely reject reality itself as humans have constructed it, substituting her own world of Citizens and Projections living together in a wholly phantasmagoric reality…all this might well be a vision that VOTM Miss Info presents when asking to join Dawn’s army, but Dawn would be able to tell that Missy is far too unstable to actually deliver on such promises, whereas Dreamer being raised as an obedient lapdog actually could give Dawn everything she’d ever imagined.

Citizen Dawn & Deadline - She’s thought about doing the kind of thing he’s doing, minus the leyline aspect, plenty of times, and honestly it’s a little unclear why she never went through with it, beyond the fact that we wouldn’t have a comics universe if she did. Her sorta Darwinian outlook would probably say that the Citizens can survive the cataclysm Deadline is causing and would be well positioned to rule over the ruins, so at first she might do nothing. But if he became aware of her, he’d probably assume she was the threat he came here to stop, and instead of wrecking the world in the same way she never quite bothers to do, he’d attack her directly, significantly increasing the collateral damage he causes while removing much of his reason to feel guilty about it. Whoever wins, the planet would be pretty wrecked, and any surviving Citizens would likely rule the wreckage.

Citizen Dawn & Infinitor - This one’s interesting specifically because we know that Infinitor is mad with terror due to OblivAeon’s influence; Dawn’s alpha-type personality would probably key in on some of his ravings, and he might well accidentally inspire Dawn to do on her own what Expatriette instead had to talk her mom into doing, going after OblivAeon simply because he’s a challenge worthy of her power. Of course, Nigel would be long dead before she ever acted on that impulse, and since he played a rather pivotal role against OblivAeon, saving and empowering Captain Cosmic, the odds are pretty good that Dawn caroming off Infinitor and into OblivAeon’s face ends in her annihilation and that of the multiverse.

Citizen Dawn & Kaargra Warfang - Dawn would probably actually be into the idea of the Coliseum for about five minutes, taking down several gladiators in a display of pure incandescent wrath - but the first time one of the Fickle Fans throws a pop bottle at her head, she’d incinerate an entire stand of them, and Kaargra would boot her out on her bum and ban her from future events. Which wouldn’t bother Dawn any; as far as she was concerned the whole experience would have been a net positive, but Kaargra would be less than pleased at best.

Citizen Dawn & Progeny - Thanks to Cosmic Contest we know exactly what happens if these two fight. As to what they think about each other, well I don’t know that Progeny thinks at all, and Dawn probably has no more opinion of this thing than of the T-Rex, apart from the enticing possibility of being able to siphon energy off it. There’s some small possibility she might try to drain it to the point that it can be kept as a pet or a bioweapon, but she’d learn quickly enough that was a mistake and dispatch it completely.

Citizen Dawn & Ambuscade - Ambuscade dies and doesn’t even look cool doing it. Even if he has powers at the time, there’s no chance Dawn would put up with an ego like his.

Citizen Dawn & Miss Information - Before she gets powers from Baron Blade, Aminia is just a normal and thus Dawn would kill her. Assuming it’s the VOTM version or at least the flipside of her normal self, though, MI might be able to impress Dawn, but it’s a really hard sell. Dawn has no real animosity toward the Freedom Five (or Parse) above any other heroes, they’re just opponents to be dealt with, and VOTM Missy’s obvious madness would probably be obnoxious to Dawn and wouldn’t be tolerated for long. So the tank-empowered version is the only one I see having a possibility of teaming up with Dawn, and even then it’s a slim chance.

Citizen Dawn & Wager Master - This is the exact opposite of the Baron Blade scenario above; Dawn would have just as little patience for the blue imp, yet she wouldn’t ignore him as inconsequential, she’d try to fry him, and he’d get a taste for it. She could keep him entertained for days, and likely she’d end up sinking the island and killing her own followers, which would only make him enjoy tormenting her even more. I see him getting more borderline sadistic than he ever does with the heroes, because she’s just got so much power and rage bottled up, and he’d never get tired of tweaking her. I do think eventually she’d give up and just fly off into space or something, but it’d be some of the most fun he’d ever had in his entire existence, and the collateral damage would be epic.

Citizen Dawn & Chokepoint - Dawn would actually be troubled by this one (momentarily); Chokepoint has powers, they’re not at all technological, and yet they basically require technology to exist. Dawn’s not going to leave the Army to continue making tanks so that Chokepoint can wear them; she’d come as close to apologetic as she ever gets when explaining that the Citizens of the Sun wish they could use her, but she just has nothing to offer them. And the Zenith Gauge will confirm that Dawn has zero weaknesses to exploit, so CP won’t dare do anything other than walk away while she still can.

Citizen Dawn & Biomancer - This is one of the few matchups where I think the non-Dawn villain has a chance; there are so many Citizens of the Sun just hanging around, Zosimos has a fairly decent possibility of getting her completely surrounded and vulnerable at some crucial moment. The only question is whether he has enough sense to just kill her, with or without leaving a fleshchild in her place; he’d have great difficulty resisting the temptation to try and steal her awesome power for himself, and he’s basically guaranteed to fail if he makes the attempt. But since she’s likely completely ignorant of his existence, and doesn’t have quite the ego problem that other similar villains like Blade have (he’s more like the Chairman in this regard, but has some possibility of allying with Dawn if he shows just a trace of his power without letting her guess the threat he poses), the odds he can stack the deck in his favor and actually take her down for good, giving him the entire Citadel to run his plots from thereafter, are pretty favorable.

Citizen Dawn & Bugbear - The absolute THIRST Buggy would have for the level of power he might be able to drain from Dawn, combined with the amount she has left after he first demonstrates that he can, is basically guaranteed to mean she ashes him on the spot rather than tolerate the threat of his existence.

Citizen Dawn & Greazer Clutch - Dawn herself probably dates roughly back to the 50s, but she was a book reader rather than a television watcher, so Clutch’s vibe would be lost on her. She’d find him an obnoxious twerp, and he’d quickly realize there ain’t enough space bucks in the galaxy for that level of trouble; his Sweet Spaceship likely wouldn’t even land before he refunds the bounty and 180s it away from this mudball.

Citizen Dawn & Sergeant Steel - Sarge has read Dawn’s file. The meeting never happens; he resigns if necessary, rather than go on that much of a suicide mission to try and take HER down.

Whew, 55 down, leaving only 351. That’s an annoying number, I really should have done that last one, but honestly I have to go use the can, so this is it for now.

A partial completion of part 3, although I have an idea in mind for part 10 or so, so I may skip ahead before coming back to finish this one.

Voss & Baron Blade - I’m breaking the format rule to discuss this pairing, though I only mention it to mention that I’m not mentioning it. I don’t have to say anything at all; we know exactly how these two interact, because they canonically do it in OblivAeon! I don’t think I knew that when I wrote before, hence the exception.

Voss & Omnitron - Thorathians aren’t hard pressed to find excuses for thinking little of other alien races, such as humans. But the fact that we can’t even keep our technology from gaining independence and trying to wipe us out had to be a source of amusement for Voss and Viktor and the rest of the gang. Dok’Thorath would certainly never permit a killing machine to have a mind of its own. For the Rampaging Robot’s part, its raison d’etre is complete with the last human’s death, so it would probably be quite happy to cut a deal with the Thorathians and help them take the planet over, although it would probably be compelled to attack any Gene-Bound Humans that Voss might choose to create, and thus its service to him would be contingent on not even one scrap of human life remaining intact.

Voss & Chairman - This is an obvious case of the Organization and the heroes having a common purpose and separately both fighting the greater enemy, though without any cooperation. It’s beyond unlikely either of these villains would even try to bargain with the other.

Voss & Matriarch - Birds, meet spaceship windshields.

Voss & Plague Rat - The humans effectively made a Gene-Bound version of themselves by accident, sort of (GWV wouldn’t really care about the biological details unless he was actively studying them for some reason). An interesting curiosity, and the best reason why Voss might conceivably work with the Chairman short-term, just for information on how the biology of this peculiar creation works.

Voss & Spite - Lol, Spite is effectively one of the superheroes of Earth as far as Voss is concerned! He’d have basically the same opinion as about Fanatic, and Spite wouldn’t care much either, though he might buy Viktor a beer in the Scum and Villainy sometime, spend a pleasant hour swapping vivisection stories. Not exactly a Mainstay/Stuntman interaction, but probably the closest Spite could ever get.

Voss & Akash’Buta -

Voss & Apostate -

Voss & Gloomweaver -

Voss & The Ennead -

Voss & Iron Legacy -

Voss & Kismet -

Voss & La Capitan -

Voss & The Dreamer -

Voss & Deadline -

Voss & Infinitor - Nigel probably sees in Voss exactly what he saw in OblivAeon, just not quite as much of it; he’d probably leave some Manifestations to cover his retreat and fly away very fast. Voss probably couldn’t even tell the Lowsley brothers apart in any meaningful way, they’re just powered humans who get in his way to varying degrees, and he’d kill either one with equal dispassion.

Voss & Kaargra Warfang - I honestly can’t really guess at what these two wildly different space forces think of each other. Thorathians probably respect the Coliseum as a institution, though all its inhabitants are garbage inferior aliens who should be killed and replaced with entirely Thorathian staff and fighters and audiences; Voss himself, though, who knows, and ditto for Kaargra’s view on him. This is one of the meetings most likely to be possible in canon, yet one of the hardest for me to imagine.

Voss & Progeny - A living force of destruction beyond anything ever previously seen, you say? Without the knowledge that in future they’ll both be Scions, no way does Voss not try to shackle this thing somehow and weaponize it. (We know from the Headhunter KNYFE letters page that Blightsilver exists and can hurt Progeny, so presumably in some Disparate reality, Voss creates some sort of control rig that will inject Progeny with a lethal dose of blightsilver if Progeny doesn’t obey Voss’s orders to the letter and in spirit; Progeny is nothing if not a natural servant of anybody who wants it to wreck stuff, so it might not even bristle that much under the yoke, at least not for a while, not until it’s real boss got closer to making his move.)

Voss & Ambuscade - I could see Voss in his Strike Force days employing Ambuscade, probably just as a diversion. The natural enmity between the two is probably never really anything personal, assuming Ansel isn’t dumb enough to try and hunt Voss himself. If he wants to hunt a few GB minions for sport in exchange for removing some troublesome hero, that can probably be arranged.

Vods & Miss Information - She’s just another human to him; he’s just another supervillain to her. They have absolutely nothing to say to each other. Lesser villains might be tempted by what Miss Info can offer to show them, but Voss would know such lies for what they are; he’s gained far more impressive visions from the Oracles of Discord, and isn’t going to fall for a mere powered human’s parlor trick.

Voss & Wager Master - To a lesser degree, and without even considering the fact that he took over for him at the end, Rainek Kel’Voss is the same problem for Wags that OblivAeon was: he’s the end of all fun forever (through subservience rather than annihilation, but that is in no way better), and thus he must be opposed but in an indirect fashion. Wags would play Tim Cosing to GWV if necessary, tipping the heroes off as to how he can be stopped.

Voss & Chokepoint - Even now that she owns what’s left of the Celestial Tribunal, Chokepoint could never hope to be more than an interesting curiosity to Voss. At best she could take over and “wear” one entire spaceship, his biggest and baddest one; he has hundreds more that could all concentrate their fire and atomize her without serious effort.

Voss & Biomancer - I don’t think Voss could fully comprehend the nature of the threat Biomancer poses to him, assuming that Thorathian flesh isn’t sufficiently different from Human that Zosimos would struggle to control it. Voss could win if tipped off that his army was being infiltrated, but Biomancer is smart and patient, so I think there’s a chance he could pull it off. Once Viktor and Tamar and the rest had been replaced, Voss would be increasingly in trouble, though there would still be a risk the necromancer fails at the final hurdle because Voss is just too strong.

Voss & Bugbear - “Oh? You hunger for my power, fluffy one? Come then, and take it if you can!” Voss would see Bugbear much the way he saw the Feethsmar when he was first exiled: as something to take apart and rebuild into an asset that serves him without possibility of defiance. He would enjoy the challenge while being fully confident of his triumph.

Voss & Greazer Clutch - The whole of space knows, crossing the Thorathian Conquering Fleet is a good way to put your planet on their hit list. Even if someone tried to hire Greazer to remove the Grand Warlord, and gave him literally all the best toys to make it happen, it still wouldn’t be worth becoming public enemy numero uno for the entire rest of the Thorathian military juggernaut. There ain’t enough money in space for that level of future hardship to him and his, assuming there are any “his”.

Voss & Sergeant Steel - If any target is going to make Sergeant Steel get way too big for his britches, an ET SOB like GWV would do it. Obviously the alien conqueror will be a FILTER priority target; if sufficiently well equipped to have a chance of taking him down and getting out, Jack would take risks for the chance to put away a major alien menace, which he just isn’t going to gamble on for more terrestrial foes.

25 more (the Blade un-mention doesn’t count), for a total of 80 down, leaving 326.