Why I'm being such a jerk =(

General GTG General Discussion
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This is a huge part of the game being fun.  Some people relate this to doing damage as opposed to support, but as long as you feel like you really added to the team you probably had fun. 

There are plenty of times when a hero doesn't work out in a single game.  The first time my roommate played AZ he kept having gear bounced and all kinds of trouble.  In the last turn of the game he did something like 2 damage which was all the damage he did for the game.  He was all "Hey guys look at me!  I did damage!" to which the other heros gave him a golf clap and a pat on the head.  Well, I told him to try again and in a later game AZ was the amazing MVP of the show.  My roommate didn't even play him that differently, he just got what he needed and nothing was screwing with his setup.  This has been AZ for us, very hit or miss.  End result, we like him and know this about him going into the game.  Even when he has a bad game it becomes a running joke.  We don't consider him weak but might say he is inconsistent or has certain horrible matchups.

Expat on the other hand has never had a 2 damage game for us.  She always contributes some but it feels like she never contributes as much as the others (Unless AZ is stuck in a box or something).  Maybe, as some have suggested, this is because her damage is kind of spread out and not fancy.  But we have tracked damage on her recently (though its a small sample size) and the numbers aren't good (For us).  Part of the reason is we don't play with Legacy much to galvanize, part of the reason is we seem to never hit Hair Trigger Reflexes until late game or the boss doesn't have lots of targets.  Besides this she doesn't really contribute in other, non-damage ways (except RPG maybe).  The final result is we don't feel like she contributes as much as the other heros and that leads to being less fun to play.  I really like her flavor but I notice her being left in the box more than any other hero.

 

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@AWP--Kudos to you on having the cajones to apologize publicly.  I think one of the biggest issues in "nerdity" right now is the inability for people to admit when they've taken a thing too far, so it's good to see someone take a step back and say "Whoa...wait a minute..."

That said, you're dead on in terms of personal investment.  Fully realizing I haven't been on these forums long, I've been reading through the topics and  responses and the number that include the creators is just staggering to me.  Obviously, Chris & co. care what their customers think, and it shows.

 

I'm still a big believer in both Expatriette and Mr. Fixer.  Bunker's probably my favorite hero in the game.

I love the fact that Expatriette can throw down guns and ammo in short order, while being able to alternate between crowd-control and single-target damage with ease.  Yes, I readily admit she has issues getting cards, but that's one of the draws of the game for me:  my teammates and I have to work together to make each others' lives easier--that's where Legacy or Visionary steps in and hands me a card draw.  

I love the fact that Mr. Fixer can bounce back with ease, only really needing two cards to get moving.  I also like the fact that he's not quite as high damage as Ra or Haka...primarily because he doesn't take as much maintenance and card manipulation.  If I were to change Mr. Fixer in any way, I'd have probably reworded "Strike" to read "Deal 1 + X Melee damage to a Non-Hero Target.  X = the number of Style cards discarded.", but I'm almost of the opinion that such a change would overpower Fixer.

Bunker is utterly satisfying for me.  Being able to pump off 15 damage a turn without your OmniCannon and totally unbuffed?  That's just gold, between Gatling Gun, Flak Cannon, and Grenade Launcher, all in Turret Mode.  Then to unload a giant burst?  Even better.  Yeah, he has problems with getting and keeping Equipment out--but again, that's where your team has to work together, both in terms of prevention and recovery.

 

I'll readily admit:  There are some combos that just don't work well together.  Choosing randomly at one point, our group ended up with a combination of heroes that just Could. Not. Deal. Damage.  And that happens sometimes.  That's why the "standard combo" of Fighter-Mage-Thief-Cleric has existed in gaming for years, and that's why it's not a bad thing.  

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If you check out the Best Heroes-A Statistical Community Effort data you'll see that Expat, AZ, Bunker, and Fixer are lurking at the bottom of the Effectiveness list. It still needs more data. There are also quite a few surprises especially in the villain stats. Still, I'm starting to think the Fixer haters (myself included) are justified.

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I find it is interesting how close all the heros are in general. The difference between 60% heroes (Mr Fixer, Bunker, AZ, WRAITH, and Expat) and the 70% heroes (Ra and Nightmist) is like 1 game in 10. The thing the stats tell me is that Legacy is probably to good at 78%. An ideal distribution would be like 60-72%.

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I definitely understand where you're coming from when you mention certain heroes just not being up to par with other heroes in SoTM. Also, congrats on apologizing. It takes a big person to do that.

 

I look at unbalanced characters as a typical part of the superhero genre in general. Not all superheroes are equally powerful. Some superheroes have an amazing selection of powers (i.e. Magneto) and some of them are better suited to accidentally blowing up arcade machines (i.e. Jubilee). Mr. Fixer and Exp don't seem as fantastic as other heroes, but I can honestly say that hasn't ever stopped my friends and I from playing them. We all love superheroes and like getting together to play a game and have fun. That's really the main point of SoTM or any game really.

 

Besides, if we just played the "best" heroes all the time, that would get pretty boring. I already cringe some times when my same friend decides he's going to play The Wraith or Tempest again.

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Interesting Zerosatanmine - wraith is on the /bottom/ of the most effective heroes. She only has a 60% win rate.

 

Of course. We only have about 500 games. that leads to about 100 games per hero (besides promos which are in generall all below 20) - so there is a TON more data we need before we can really draw conclusions.

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Love the stats page.  I can't remember our past games but we play a few games every week so I will try to help with regular updates.

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Well, I'm not saying that personally I think that The Wraith is the best character. She certainly seems decent (I've only actually played her once) and Impromptu Invention (I believe that's the card name) is just ridiculous. She seems handy for the utility that she offers.

My friend seems to think that she is the best thing since sliced bread. My point was that having people play the same heroes every game takes away some of the fun of SoTM for me. The overall point being that, to me at least, a variety of heroes, no matter how "good" or "bad" their decks are makes SoTM so addictive.

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so i think i have to take this as a challenge to use fixer, expat, and bunker for my next 3 hero team ;-)