I dunno; Iāmā¦quite behind on the podcast, butāno offence intended to Adamāthat does seem like something he would do.
True, but another classification system (see below) designates Belphy as Gluttony. And Iām fairly certain that we donāt know what system (if any) C&A are using.
Maybe. Thatās a fairly common motif.
Personally, Iām liking the synergies between heroes, villains, and environments. The Aeternus related stuff is giving off vibes that usually needed Baron Blade in Mordengrad, or Onmitron in Onmitron IV facing Omnitron X.
Yeah, it seems like DE is turning keyword interactions up to eleven, @OddballPaladin. Demons, Werewolves, Vampires, Agents, etc. Part of it is surely because Heroes can have keywords now.
Waaaiiit a minute. First Appearance Omnitron-X is a Device. Doesnāt Villain Omnitron say that the Heroes canāt win until all other Devices are destroyed? That means FA Omni has to die, just like in the comics.
Wait another minute. Both Wind-Walker and The Chronoist have (a) cyborg leg(s). Thatās a weird coincidenceāboth known Chrono-Ranger alternates having the same prosthetic limb(s). I guess the obvious reason is that theyāre both supposed to contrast Jim, and there are only so many human limbs.
Also, what are the Freedom Six variants supposed to be? Wanted posters? Government documents? I canāt quite tell.
Iām pretty sure the Freedom 6 variants are supposed to be wanted posters. Though it does look at little weird since the characters arenāt a part of the poster itself.
I love how Freedom 6 Bunker has the Ordinance keyword. It fixes the issue I had with Super Sentai Idealist, where her base power couldnāt interact with the Tiara or the rest of her deck. This wonāt have that issue, so Bunker can load himself up with Recharge Mode or the External Power Supply. Very nice.
Iām surprised we didnāt see any Event previews like last year. Are we getting another update tomorrow, or will they save those reveals for the coming months?
That it doesā¦ and that would certainly make sense. Base Omnitron-X does not, so itās definitely an intentional thing to recreate that situation.
Personally, I like them turning up the the keyword interactions, to a limited way. I think itās an interesting way to vary the complexity of the game. Likeā¦ āHey, weāre facing Apex, if you want to be part of the werewolf infighting, here are the heroes to pickā or from EE āWeāre fighting Voss, weāre staying the heck out of DokāThorath.ā Like I said, thereās a degree of cheerful chaos in EE using, say, Omnitron X or Heroic Luminary in Omnitron-IV vs Omnitron or Ambuscade.
I noticed that, too. I chuckled a bit at just how nasty that particular punch can get. F6 Bunker was probably my favorite from a story perspective (wellā¦ Golem Unity was also there, with the whole Ship of Theseus thing she has going), given that heās a light of redemption in an otherwise bleak timeline. Then againā¦ as Iāve said elsewhere, my day jobās office (well, pre-Covid) is a stoneās throw away from the California Railroad Museum, and my father is a MASSIVE train nut, so Iāve always had a soft spot for Fright Train.
I agree, I generally like all the interactions DE creates with keywords. The only exception is Setback/Kismet, because although Setback gains the ability to (somewhat) easily destroy Kismetās Unlucky cards, she ends up punishing him for playing his own Unlucky cards and punishing him even more for playing Lucky cards! He feels stymied and inhibited in that fight. But the all-werewolf fight (Apex, Alpha, Haka, and Diamond Manor) is extremely fun!
On another topic, I thought we had the specific number of variants to be included in Disparation, but I canāt find it. Anyway, now weāve got on record:
- First Appearance plus 2 more variants for each hero in Disparation
** Wind-Walker
** Soulseeker Painstake (and presumably Darkstrife)
** (Probably) Dark Visionary - Boldest Legacy
- Inversiverse Galactra
- Ashen Heir
- Frostbite
- F6 Tachyon
- F6 Wraith
- F6 Bunker
- F6 Absolute Zero
- F6 Tempest
- F6 Unity
I think Young Legacy is a possibility, to tie into the Iron Legacy story, though at this point I agree itās likely she will have her own hero deck in a later expansion.
Anyone catch any others?
Christopher mentioned on TLP it was 15
For variants from the Core Set, I assume? Because his end of campaign update is what says each Disparation hero gets 3 variants, and thatās 18 right there.
So that leaves 5 more from the Core Set to guessā¦
Yes 15 variants for core set heroes. Each Disparation hero will have one FA and two other variants like RCR.
I will be surprised if we dont get Eternal Haka, Ra of Two Horizons, and Redeemer Fanatic; theyāre all tied to environments and events in this set.
For the last two, Greatest Legacy and GI Bunker are possible for historical reasons, but neither actually does time travel. The alternative would be another alternate universe version of someone who didnāt have a non-FA variant before this expansion and doesnāt have two revealed here yet (Legacy, Argent Adept, Tachyon, Tempest, or Captain Cosmic).
Instead of GI Bunker, that Golem Armor Bunker from that one alternate F5 might be possible.
Actuallyā¦ Between GI Bunker and Greatest Legacy, I wonder if thereās an āancientsā theme in a future expansion. I could see those two being in the same set as, say Court of Blood, Scholar, Enclave of the Endlings, and other OLD stuff. I would say āLegaciesā or āHeritages,ā but those are taken.
Makes sense, although it does kinda look like the HP value are stickers? Which wouldnāt really make sense for posters. And the word āVARIANTā definitely looks like a stamp, which also doesnāt fit.
I do think that itās justifiable that the characters are in the normal art style, and not in a poster-style; no other variants (save FA) change the style.
F6 Bunker doesnāt need a gun. He IS the gun.
Well, Greatest Legacy does trvel through time, but only during the OblivAeon event, so it seems almost certain that that is where heāll appear in DE.
Okay, so I think itās safe to assume that theyāll try to spread variants out roughly evenly, and there are 12 core heroes, so we can assume that each will get 1 variant, and then 3 will get another.
Things we know so far:
- Legacy ā Boldest
- Wraith ā F6
- Bunker ā F6
- Tachyon ā F6
- Absolute Zero ā F6 and Frostbite
- Unity ā F6
- Argent Adept ā Ashen Heir
- Captain Cosmic ā Galactra
- Tempest ā F6
- Ra, Haka, Fanatic ā None
Agreed. Those seem like shoe-ins.
So, assuming that, the only unknowns are which two other heroes besides AZ will get a second variant. Unity, Wraith, Bunker, Fanatic, Haka, and Ra got variants in RCR, so itās probably safe to assume that these two heroes will be two of Legacy, Tachyon, Argent Adept, Captain Cosmic, and and Tempest. Looking at this page, possibilities for those heroes include Americaās Cleverest Legacy, the Argent Artist, and Shockwave. There donāt seem to be any notable alternates of Tachyon and Captain Cosmic save for the X-Treme and pun-based ones, both of which seem rather unlikely.
I think itās fair to call the Dark Watch variants a different style ā not that the characters are rendered in a different way, but that the entire variant card is done up to look like photographs on a bulletin board. If the F6 variants were intended to look like āwantedā posters, for sure the graphics team would have put more of the relevant greeblies on there. āWanted,ā āReward,ā āReport to <I forget Ambuscadeās codename in that universe>,ā etc. The F6 variants are definitely done up to look likeā¦files, or dossiers. The question is, are they Iron Legacyās, Tachyonās, or somebody elseās? Very unclearā¦
I forgot about Shockwave, but was thinking about Citizen Storm. We could also see Six-String or Dark Conductor Adept.
I wonder what general things we can say about the number of variants, now that we have some information to infer patterns from! The main ones being:
- Expansion sets have 1 First Appearance and 2 other variants for each of the expansion heroes.
- All the previously released EE content is supposedly going to appear in DE.
However, putting those two items together, Iām starting to come up with contradictions. (Or just indications that those statements are not exactly correct. Itās like coming up with video game variant unlocks!) One is that Absolute Zero is now up to his FA+2, but we havenāt seen either Termi-Nation or Freedom Five. Likewise, weāre still expecting to see Prime Wardens and Extreme Prime Wardens variants but we already have Werewolf Haka Haunted Fanatic, F6 Tempest, and Galactra. Another is that a Young Legacy deck would mean we arenāt seeing a Young Legacy variant.
Anyway. Unless there is EE content that wonāt appear in DE, it seems like the ultimate number of variants wonāt be evenly distributed, except perhaps that expansion sets get FA+2. Maybe Core Set heroes get FA+more (4?), or maybe team variants donāt count against the FA+2 allotment.
Some heroes will naturally get more variants than others, but it seems like the baseline after all expansions will be at least 4 character cards for each hero.
Weāre on the third box, and Bunker already has two variants prior, neither of which were in EE, so I think itās safe to say Bunker will end up with 6+ variants when all is said and done.
My prediction is that each expansion box will be self-contained, except OblivAeon, which will be a massive crossover of the previous five, with variants for all heroes and some more villain critical events like Skinwalker.
Just throwing this out there.
Right. I meant to say that no variants change the style of the character portraits, as theyāre all in āmodernā style. The backgrounds and designs of the cards, however, have been shown to vary. It seems like the trend is for variant āsetsā to have distinct designs, whether they be teams or other thematic groupingsālike how the alternate reality heroes in Disparation have the portal background.
Well, but Citizen Storm is a villain, so he couldnāt be a variant for the Tempest deck. (Although a Citizen Dawn Critical Event would fit, but is unlikely due to the unspoken no-Events-for-villains-from-other-sets rule, unless OblivAeon breaks this pattern as some have speculated.) And the Kvothe variant is extremely unlikely, 'cause of the charity reasons, while Dark Conductor AA doesnāt seem to have anything to do with timelines. Heāll probably be in the Space set with the Enclave for Cosmic Contest reasons.
Iām fairly sure that the Base+FA+2 rule only applies to non-coreset heroes, and that coreset heroes can have an effectively unlimited number of variants.
Yeah, but neither does about 1/3 of the content of this set. Iām thinking of DE Disparation as more like EE Shattered Timelines + Infernal Relics. It seems pretty wide-open for variants.
I think of it as less the āDisparationā books in the meta-verse, and more a grab bag of other dimensions, timelines, and times. There are really only a handful of revealed decks that donāt have to deal with other realms. The only ones without DIRECT connections are Parse (the Oblivaeon/Omni-2 power boost, and her thing with MI are secondhand connections), Dreamer (again, indirect connection because of Visionary), and Necrosis. (I could be wrong and mis-hearing or mis-remembering Necrosis stuff.)