Definitive Edition: Order Predictions

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#81

All right, I’m running out of time to make predictions without advance knowledge. I recently mathed some stuff out, so here’s the best I can do with the information that’s public so far. Bold is confirmed, italics is stuff I’m basically just guessing about.

To be clear, I am very confident this list is wrong. There’s too much we don’t know. But this is the best I can do right now.

  • Disparation

    • Heroes: Parse, Omnitron-X, Chrono-Ranger, Visionary, The Southwest Sentinels, new hero
    • Villains: The Dreamer, Iron Legacy, La Capitan, Miss Information, Apostate, The Ennead, new villain: Benchmark nemesis (Count Barzakh), new villain: La Comodora/Southwest Sentinels nemesis, new villain: new hero nemesis
    • Environments: The Block, The Final Wasteland, Silver Gulch, Tomb of Anubis, new environment: Æternus

  • Cosmic Tales (or maybe Cosmic Concurrence)

    • Heroes: Void Guard, Sky-Scraper, New Hero: Fashion
    • Villains: Chokepoint, Deadline, Infinitor, Kaargra Warfang, Progeny, Wager Master, new villain: Lifeline nemesis, new villain: Stuntman nemesis (Borr the Butcher), new villain: new hero (Fashion) nemesis
    • Environments: Celestial Tribunal, Dok’Thorath, Enclave of the Endlings, Maerynian Refuge, new environment: The Roulette

  • Vengeance Returned (Team Villains)

    • Heroes: Akash’Thriya, Guise, KNYFE, Naturalist, Scholar, new hero: Painstake & Darkstrife
    • Villains: All (former) team villains
    • Environments: Court of Blood, Madam Mittermeier’s, Mobile Defense Platform, Mordengrad, new environment

  • Scion Strike (OblivAeon)

    • Heroes: Benchmark, La Comodora, Lifeline, Luminary, Stuntman, new hero: Young Legacy
    • Villains: OblivAeon, scions
    • Environments: Champion Studios, Fort Adamant, Nexus of the Void, Omnitron-IV, Time Cataclysm

I think a lot of these are obvious, but explanations for the odd choices:

  • Apostate and the Ennead go in disparation because there are already 6 good picks for Cosmic Tales.
  • The Sentinels go in Disparation because they need to come before Void Guard, and because La Capitan is there.
  • That said, I’m not sure La Capitan will still be The Sentinels’ nemesis. Their connection was always weak. La Comodora spends most of her story arc hunting Las Capitanas, so she’s a better fit. Whichever one doesn’t have La Capitan as their nemesis will get a new one, probably in Disparation. If I was going to guess a nemesis for La Comodora that we’ve actually heard of before, it would be Dark God Guise, but that doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
  • Count Barzakh is a minor villain in Universe One, but he’s a major one in Supply & Demand Benchmark’s universe. He was slated to be a playable character in Prime War. And there’s a ton of lore and flavor with him that we don’t know.
  • Borr the Butcher was a fairly minor but established villain—he’s in Tempest’s EE deck—but only appeared as a scion, who was Stuntman’s (and Mainstay’s) nemesis. It’s not the best connection, but for the late-appearing Stuntman to get a nemesis, there aren’t a lot of choices.
  • Maerynian Refuge isn’t in space, but it’s connected to space stories, and the later expansions are packed. Plus Tempest is one of the main stars of the Cosmic Tales book.
  • There are too many possible Cosmic environments to have any confidence here, so I just picked one we know of. If I really wanted to meme, I’d pick Orbo, the Living Planet. Maybe, just maybe, Christopher and Adam finally decided to see it as a challenge they’ve left untackled for too long.
  • I’m betting on no EE box names being exactly repeated, so no Vengeance or OblivAeon.
  • Æternus, Painstake, and Darkstrife are all guesses with nothing really holding them up. Painstake and Darkstrife were created too late to make it into Disparation, but Æternus goes well with Apostate.
  • I put Omnitron-IV in OblivAeon so it would be after Omni-Blade. It’s not quite that late in the story, but it’s close, and more adventures happened earlier in Mordengrad. Plus, Mordengrad makes sense in Vengeance.
  • Why did I put Time Cataclysm in OblivAeon, of all places? I’m not confident about Time Cataclysm being an environment at all because it always seemed like more of an event than an environment to me. Putting it in at all means having 5 EE environments in one box, which seems unlikely to me—but if there is one box with 5 old environments, it’ll be OblivAeon, because we already know that whole story in detail and there’s not much room for new locations. Plus, putting it in OblivAeon means that it could reference any of the environments that came before. It’s a long shot.
  • Finally, Young Legacy. For a while I was pretty darn sure she wouldn’t get a deck. But then I realized: what new hero could be added to the OblivAeon box? We know that story really well already. It would make no sense to suddenly say “Oh by the way, this brand new hero was there and really important the whole time!” For a hero who we know was there, not a random Mist Gate throwaway, and doesn’t already have a deck, I can’t think of another choice.

One thing I know is totally missing is new nemeses for the new heroes in the last two boxes. There’s just no room for them. But then, we don’t have unique solo nemeses for Bunker, AZ, Unity, or Scholar anyway. So I figure they’ll be covered by new team villains/scions.

That’s the best I’ve got before I have to shut up.

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#82

Am I misremembering that Borr the Butcher was a SW Sentinels nemesis? Scion Borr definitely goes to Stuntman, but I don’t know who else if anyone Ansel gets.

Is the Roulette environment the space station casino that Greaser frequents? Was thinking at first it would have to do with Kismet, but she was just in a boring Earth casino and there’s already a character that hijacked an alien spaceship for their own purposes.

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#84

I really love the bold predictions, but they’ve very recently said “Tomb of the Bizarre” won’t be an expansion name. And in the very first episode where they announced Definitive Edition, they stated that Vengeance mode will still exist in some form. Some of us still like it!

I guess that could somehow be done with “Team up Events”, but I personally hope it’s real similar to how it was!

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#85

Second that! I think Team Mode is a good format that makes you play differently. Just needs an injection of fresh villains for some more variety! They’ve already made a lot more B-tier villains (i.e. somewhat less than world-ending doomsday plots) through the Writer’s Rooms and Creative Processes. And they’ve definitely fleshed out the roster of C- and D-tier goons to serve as Nemeses.

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#86

Yes; as far as I remember, Borr never interacted with the Sentinels. He was mainly a Tempest (and other cosmic heroes) villain.

Yes. See: Greazer’s episode. It’s where he met the Pink Lady, the slot machine-guessing robot whom he named his groovy space-car after.

Wait, what are “Principles?” Are they something that was revealed somewhere I haven’t seen? They bring to mind the RPG . . .

DE Disparation: Guessing time! (Ha ha, time travel pun)
#87

Borr is featured on the card Coordinated Strike, and I do think the Scions episode said he was originally a Sentinels foe more than anything, albeit from after the period when they Sentinels were mostly off by themselves. This may have been a retcon; 2011 C&A may very well have thought of the guy on Flash Flood as a Tempest foe, but he might not even have been named at the time.

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#88

Nope ignore me getting stuff confused.

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#89

Maybe I’m mixing him up with the Unstable version that has the Void Guard (and thus SW Sentinels) nemesis icon. I’d have to go back to the OblivAeon episodes for a re-listen, but I assume Void Guard tangled with him there. Obviously at least Mainstay did, right before Stuntman blocked the big explosion.

The Butcher must’ve been a cosmic threat while the Sentinels were still an Earth-based team.

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#90

Aha, so Disparation is about to start playtesting…!

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#91

Good catch, I forgot about that one. He might be a candidate for a new SW Sentinels nemesis if La Comodora gets La Capitan. But Stuntman has very few options. Most likely for Stuntman to get a nemesis, they’ll have to tell a whole new story we don’t know about.

Scion-Borr the Unstable gets the Sentinels as a nemesis because it was Mainstay and Stuntman who took him on.

I know, that’s why I stopped predicting Tome of the Bizarre for the Vengeance box. I’m still predicting Tomb of Anubis in Disparation.

I honestly have no idea what they’re going to do with Vengeance mode. It’s a great idea, it just doesn’t play well. My page of predictions is based on them finding a way to fix it. If they completely overhaul it, a lot of my guesses go out the window.

#92

“Scion-Borr the Unstable gets the Sentinels as a nemesis because it was Mainstay and Stuntman who took him on.” I believe on the reverse side where he blows up, he has the OblivAeon icon, partly due to Stuntman, but also perhaps for interesting gameplay reasons, with this allowing him to always do extra damage to his boss if applicable. It won’t be clear what the intent is in all such cases until we have Definitive OblivAeon, in 2027 or whatever.

Also I would disagree that Vengeance doesn’t play well, aside from the number of decks you have to shuffle. I find games against a VOTM team feel more normal than games against single-target foes such as Progeny, as so many cards from core set heroes are dead against them.

#93

Sorry about that, I wasn’t referring to your predictions. I do, however, like yours though. I would (and did) personally pick Darzon 7/Mosaic over The Roulette, but wouldn’t complain if we got them both. Fighting in an alien marketplace sounds like it could make for some cool mechanics though.

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#94

Ooh, that’s a good one, too. And they did actually mention that it had been part of multiple stories in Cosmic Concurrence. I don’t see a lot of description of it as an action setting, just a lot of sociopolitical stuff, but they certainly could have done that.

And now that I think of it, Cosmic Concurrence might be a better name for the box. It’s a smaller book, but so is Rook City Renegades, and it’s a more evocative title.